Is Jesus New Covenant or New "Law"?

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Did Jesus Fulfill ALL the Law and the Prophets (at Crucifixion)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 5 33.3%
  • I do not know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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brighthouse98

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yup pumpkinbrea, I sure did. From the words it seemed to me that you did not believe that Jesus fulfilled it,which was my concern with you.But its all good.
 

Magenta

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Alright then. I now request for your feedback on this question:

Matthew 5:18
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a
stroke of a pen, will disappear from the
Law until everything is accomplished.

What do you think is "the Law" mentioned here in your opinion?
The law remains to condemn those not covered by grace through faith
in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ as a covering for their sin/s.




Also, the priesthood has been changed...

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
 

brighthouse98

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I was just looking to help not argue with people, Gal 6:1-10 Note verse 2 please.
 
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Ehm...........

Romans 7:9-11
9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.​
10 So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death.​
11 For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.​
It's indeed true as you say that the law gives you knowledge to sin and die, but where did the knowledge of sin & righteousness come from? Is it not the righteousness of God? Did God not know what sin was? I think he did since he was holy, but Satan came and he sinned. I... think the Lord himself is the Law who knew good and evil before creation, thus, it came first and sin second.
To MAN sin came first
 

Blik

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David is not only in awe of the law in psalms 119 but also the statutes. testimonies and ordinances. The law must be [in the OT] undergirded by the ordinances, that is to say the blood sacrifice. If they had applied only the law then they all would have died under the law because everybody sins against the law and the law demands death to the sinner.

hence the blood sacrifice

But the blood of bulls and goats were only a temporary arrangement until the perfect sacrifice for sin came, the sacrifice which would forever remove our sins. And that is what Jesus has done. Accept Christ perfect sacrifice for all your sins and you will be sanctified for all time. Isn't that the best news you ever heard?

What are God's people still messing about with sin for? The bigger people's understanding of what Christ has accomplished for us on the cross the bigger they will get victory over sin.
We say the same things, with different words and a different conclusion. But I so agree that it is such a wonderful blessed thing that through Christ we are given eternal life.

God's people aren't "messing around with sin" when they are guided by scripture telling them what sin is and how to avoid choosing it.

When we put on Christ we put on righteousness. Righteousness hates sin, and if you decide you won't listen to the word or the Holy Spirit telling you what sin is, how can you avoid or hate something you won't allow?

For over 4,000 years!! of man living of earth before Christ was sacrificed, blood was required for the forgiveness of sin. In Isaiah we are told that God hates (not from the time of Isaiah but Isaiah spoke for the eternal God) blood of animals. We are told the blood was the shadow of Christ. We are told that there is not, never was, will never be forgiveness outside of Christ.
 
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Uh, I'm not trying to argue, and it's probably a trifle, but God said to Adam and Eve to not take of the tree in the midst of the garden, saying "Do not eat of it nor will you touch it, lest you die." Wasn't this the first ever commandment to mankind? Bcs of this, for me, the tree of knowledge is represented as the Law of God.
 
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The law remains to condemn those not covered by grace through faith
in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ as a covering for their sin/s.




Also, the priesthood has been changed...

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
I don't think your intention was to promote your own poetry.

But I don't see how the comment answered the question:
What do you think is "the Law" mentioned here in your opinion?
Some people believe all the Law has already been fulfilled, so I asked that to see what they would say.
 

Magenta

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I don't think your intention was to promote your own poetry.

But I don't see how the comment answered the question:

Some people believe all the Law has already been fulfilled, so I asked that to see what they would say.
Poetry? I am not sure what you mean, and I did answer the question, though you seem to have overlooked it.

The law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand now?
:unsure:
 
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Poetry? I am not sure what you mean, and I did answer the question, though you seem to have overlooked it.

The law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand now?:unsure:
Look. I like your poetry. But it's not the point. Neither did I try to be offensive in any way if you've taken it the wrong way.

The question is "what is the law Jesus mentioned in Mat 5?" The Law from the foundation of the Heavens and the Earth or some kind of "new law"?

Your poetry did not tell me that. That's all.
 

Magenta

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Look. I like your poetry. But it's not the point. Neither did I try to be offensive in any way if you've taken it the wrong way.

The question is "what is the law Jesus mentioned?" The Law from the foundation of the Heavens and the Earth or some kind of "new law"?

Your poetry did not answer that. That's all.
I don't know what poetry you are referring to is the thing...

I did not answer in any poetry... though I presented a panel with Scripture on it.

Christians are not under the law; there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

At the end of this age it is our works in Him that will be judged.

Those not covered by His righteousness will stand before Him and be condemned by the law.

Actually, they are already condemned according to Scripture (John 3:18) ~

Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands
condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
 
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Actually, they are already condemned according to Scripture (John 3:18)
I do understand what you're saying. I've actually never said anyone is condemned on this thread or anywhere else. No believer is under the obligation of the observances of the Torah. But, ...it's kind of irrelevant here.
 

crossnote

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Did Jesus Fulfill ALL the Law and the Prophets (at Crucifixion)?

Obviously 'no'. There are more prophecies concerning Christ Jesus yet to be fulfilled.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I cast a vote for "no" because anytime Jesus Circumcises the Heart of a person, the Law has been "fulfilled." This is what happened to Abraham (for example), that he was set apart from any Law, hence he is our Father of Faith. And when Jesus said to those who were performing righteous deeds in the Name of Christ, "Get away from me you lawbreakers," it is because He had yet to have Circumcised their Heart as perfectly described in Colossians 2:9-15. It is the Circumcision of Christ who / that fulfills the Law . . . nothing else.
 

Magenta

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I do understand what you're saying. I've actually never said anyone is condemned on this thread or anywhere else. No believer is under the obligation of the observances of the Torah. But, ...it's kind of irrelevant here.
Nor did I say you said anyone was condemned... but Scripture does, and when you ask about the law, saying who is condemned under the law can hardly be irrelevant.
 

Blik

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Did Jesus Fulfill ALL the Law and the Prophets (at Crucifixion)?

Obviously 'no'. There are more prophecies concerning Christ Jesus yet to be fulfilled.
When we are told Jesus fulfilled all the law and prophets, it is telling us that every prophecy made of Christ was fulfilled, and that there is no sin Christ does not forgive us for except blasphemy. It has nothing to do with future prophecies.