FLAT EARTH

[GaryA]

Then I later changed it to 'GaryA'.

I have been a member on CC three times:

~ as 'GRA' - which I eventually "guested"

- later, I came back...

~ as 'GaryA' - which I eventually "guested"

- later, I came back...

~ as 'GaryA' - and still current...

So - if you should see old posts by GRA/Guest or GaryA/Guest - those are the "earlier me" versions... haha

 

[GaryA]

please don't you go around spreading them.

You, either...

 

[GaryA]

But remember how i said i would follow up on flights down here? Well iv done that and i haven't been able to find any flights directly to South America from here or NZ.

Qantas claims to have 3 flights per week from Sydney to Santiago in Chile, non-stop.
They also claim to have daily flights from Auckland to Santiago.
Then there is Latam airline who also do flights from Santiago to our major cities and Auckland, non-stop
And then there is air New Zealand that does flights to Santiago and also to Buenos Aires from Auckland, they say...

So then, finding these departures should be easy, right... Right... Nope... They are nowhere to be seen...
I looked at departures from all these cities... Nothing... Not one flight going over the South Pacific... Hmmm...

They will often send you to LAX, then Miami before heading to Santiago
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Or they send you to the middle east, then Europe before heading to Santiago
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On the flat earth model, we can see that the routes make sense
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Then there is South Africa... Qantas and other Airlines claim to have direct flights from Perth... Flights that don't appear to exist

They will first send you to the middle east
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Or Singapore which is due north from Perth on these maps
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But on the flat earth map, we can see that its on the way. The flight would be too far without refueling
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I very much appreciate any honest research efforts made from your part of the world.

If you should find yourself in Sydney, please let me know...

 

[kinda]

Guy proving round earth, by stars.

I don't believe the earth is flat, but rather concave. We live inside the earth, not outside the earth. Just like an unborn baby lives inside a womb, rather than outside of a woman.

I do admit there are some serious crazies that believe this theory, but not everyone is. There are also crazies that believe the earth is convex/flat, so that shouldn't be a disclaimer. Just saying.... An experiment was made and they calculated that the earth rises 8 inches per 1 mile. This is the device they used.

I'm not above reproach, so if you have proof that this theory is not true, please share. Definitely would think about a difference of opinion, it will help me understand the universe better, whether the proof is right or wrong.

 

[PC123]

Guy proving round earth, by stars.

I don't believe the earth is flat, but rather concave. We live inside the earth, not outside the earth. Just like an unborn baby lives inside a womb, rather than outside of a woman.

I do admit there are some serious crazies that believe this theory, but not everyone is. There are also crazies that believe the earth is convex/flat, so that shouldn't be a disclaimer. Just saying.... An experiment was made and they calculated that the earth rises 8 inches per 1 mile. This is the device they used.

I'm not above reproach, so if you have proof that this theory is not true, please share. Definitely would think about a difference of opinion, it will help me understand the universe better, whether the proof is right or wrong.

Concave earth... Thats an interesting thought... The topic of the first video wouldn't work on the concave earth either...
People in Africa, south America and Australia are still seeing the southern cross when they look south...

 

[kinda]

Concave earth... Thats an interesting thought... The topic of the first video wouldn't work on the concave earth either...
People in Africa, south America and Australia are still seeing the southern cross when they look south...

How do the stars disprove a concave earth? The stars help give evidence of a concave earth, in my view at least, which may be extremely weak to others.

 

[PC123]

How do the stars disprove a concave earth? The stars help give evidence of a concave earth, in my view at least, which may be extremely weak to others.

As I said, people in Australia, South America, and South Africa are all seeing the Southern Cross to the south despite the south being in different positions for each of those places

 

[PC123]

How do the stars disprove a concave earth? The stars help give evidence of a concave earth, in my view at least, which may be extremely weak to others.

Consider this diagram. Two people on the opposite ends of the earth are looking south...


And despite looking into different directions these two people are both seeing the Southern cross in the center of the night sky

 

[kinda]

Consider this diagram. Two people on the opposite ends of the earth are looking south...
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And despite looking into different directions these two people are both seeing the Southern cross in the center of the night sky

They are looking up also, and that's where the stars are at. You might have to make a better diagram, or couple of them, so I know exactly how you are seeing it.

 

[surfer14]

@GaryA
So I've been thinking about this flat earth thing for awhile. Latest thing I'm thinking about is the rotation of the stars. It certainly looks like the phenomenon that would easily be explained if the start are "stationary" while a ball earth is rotating. What is the flat earth explanation for this?

 

[kinda]

As I said, people in Australia, South America, and South Africa are all seeing the Southern Cross to the south despite the south being in different positions for each of those places

Just remember, if you think the concave theory is wrong regarding stars, you will use this same argument against the convex earth. Your logic regarding stars will never work.

A problem with convex earth theory, is that their is no proof that the earth is moving. This is kinda huge. If you say, I'm idiot, of course the earth is moving, than you will be calling Albert Einstein an idiot. He basically said, it's all perspective. If I remember correctly, it's like mental gymnastics.

Do you see movement from the earth or from the moon. From a perspective from earth, which we all share this, the moon is moving, not the earth. Only Neil Armstrong and few others supposedly have a viewpoint from the moon.


I think this is a direct quote.

 

[GaryA]

@GaryA
So I've been thinking about this flat earth thing for awhile. Latest thing I'm thinking about is the rotation of the stars. It certainly looks like the phenomenon that would easily be explained if the start are "stationary" while a ball earth is rotating. What is the flat earth explanation for this?

The earth is motionless; the stars rotate above it.

 

[PC123]

Just remember, if you think the concave theory is wrong regarding stars, you will use this same argument against the convex earth. Your logic regarding stars will never work.

I didn't say it was wrong, I was just asking a question. I think its possible whereas b4 u told me i'd never even thought about it...

A problem with convex earth theory, is that their is no proof that the earth is moving. This is kinda huge. If you say, I'm idiot, of course the earth is moving, than you will be calling Albert Einstein an idiot.

What makes u think I'm going to call you an idiot? LoL... Im certainly not claiming to know for sure. There are things that don't make sense in every model. I suspect no one really knows the whole story...

He basically said, it's all perspective. If I remember correctly, it's like mental gymnastics.

Relative. Everything has to be relative to something else with Einstein. That's why it's called relativity...
It is mental gymnastics that mathematically explains the motion of the stars. I don't think it proves either model...

I think this is a direct quote.

Ah I love Tesla. I know he disagrees with the theory of gravity but I don't understand what he means by "ether", do u?
Iv also never read him ever saying that the earth is concave, spherical or flat, I could be wrong but.

Mainstream science basically says that gravity is caused by mass. A small mass will be drawn to a large mass.
The evidence for this is the Cavendish experiment which is not very strong in my opinion...

Anyway, I'm not sure what is true and I will question each one with my usual skepticism...
We can't prove things in science, we can only present supporting evidence. Thats what they say

Im going to ask Gary the same question as to where south is and I will come back and try to explain it to you again...
Have u got a better map of concave earth? Where we can see the countries? It will make it heaps easier to explain.

 

[PC123]

@GaryA

Hows it going...
The guy in this video makes some good points, in particular, what he says from the 3-minute mark.
In fact, the thumbnail shows the picture.

The most basic question is, where is south on the flat earth model? And north as well

@kinda...
I would ask the same question to you... Where is south on the concave model? And explain where north is too
(a map of the concave model would be good)

 

[kinda]

@GaryA

Hows it going...
The guy in this video makes some good points, in particular, what he says from the 3-minute mark.
In fact, the thumbnail shows the picture.

The most basic question is, where is south on the flat earth model? And north as well

@kinda...
I would ask the same question to you... Where is south on the concave model? And explain where north is too
(a map of the concave model would be good)

How many maps do you need?

I didn't say it was wrong, I was just asking a question. I think its possible whereas b4 u told me i'd never even thought about it...



What makes u think I'm going to call you an idiot? LoL... Im certainly not claiming to know for sure. There are things that don't make sense in every model. I suspect no one really knows the whole story...



Relative. Everything has to be relative to something else with Einstein. That's why it's called relativity...
It is mental gymnastics that mathematically explains the motion of the stars. I don't think it proves either model...



Ah I love Tesla. I know he disagrees with the theory of gravity but I don't understand what he means by "ether", do u?
Iv also never read him ever saying that the earth is concave, spherical or flat, I could be wrong but.

Mainstream science basically says that gravity is caused by mass. A small mass will be drawn to a large mass.
The evidence for this is the Cavendish experiment which is not very strong in my opinion...

Anyway, I'm not sure what is true and I will question each one with my usual skepticism...
We can't prove things in science, we can only present supporting evidence. Thats what they say

Im going to ask Gary the same question as to where south is and I will come back and try to explain it to you again...
Have u got a better map of concave earth? Where we can see the countries? It will make it heaps easier to explain.

I can guess on what Tesla means, but he is probably the only one that could answer correctly according to how he sees it. I'm thinking ether is way of explaining how we are all glued or attracted to the ground of earth. More theories which I'm just guessing really. It could be like a wind, not a normal wind but magnetic energy, or maybe an atomic magnet.

If God is in the center of the earth, like a concave model would suggest, than God's power keeps us bound to earth. Sort of like this plasma globe.



You ever been out during a really windy day? Notice how the wind sort of prevents you from walking against it. Walking with the wind at your back, you walk faster; Just like falling to the ground from tripping on your shoes or something. My guess would be that it's God's energy that makes us stick to the walls of earth. It could be like a electro magnetic connection, in a supernatural sense. Stuff we just can't really grasp with our human minds.

God created the winds, but there are also other energy patterns. Like how the moon, sun, and starts orbit. How lightning flashes to the ground. It's God's designing finger prints, that makes things move, stay together, and function.

As far as which way is North or South..... Not really an expert on this, but I guess you could flip the map upside down and have Australia on top of the map, instead of Russia, but you could also do this with a convex map. Which way is truly North or truly South could be debated. We do know for sure which way is up and down, thanks to ether, God's power, or gravity; However you want to see it.

You can really use any convex map, but you will have to view the map inside out.

Concave model. O.k. now look at the half on the right, if you stare at it long enough, you can view it as concave or convex. It's like a jedi mind trick.

Is this a duck or rabbit?

Is the earth concave or convex from space? It's all how your mind perceives it. Tricky!

 

[PC123]

I can guess on what Tesla means, but he is probably the only one that could answer correctly according to how he sees it. I'm thinking ether is way of explaining how we are all glued or attracted to the ground of earth. More theories which I'm just guessing really. It could be like a wind, not a normal wind but magnetic energy, or maybe an atomic magnet.

If God is in the center of the earth, like a concave model would suggest, than God's power keeps us bound to earth. Sort of like this plasma globe.

You ever been out during a really windy day? Notice how the wind sort of prevents you from walking against it. Walking with the wind at your back, you walk faster; Just like falling to the ground from tripping on your shoes or something. My guess would be that it's God's energy that makes us stick to the walls of earth. It could be like a electro magnetic connection, in a supernatural sense. Stuff we just can't really grasp with our human minds.

God created the winds, but there are also other energy patterns. Like how the moon, sun, and starts orbit. How lightning flashes to the ground. It's God's designing finger prints, that makes things move, stay together, and function.

If I'm going to get more serious about Teslas ether theory then I thought I better try and get a better understanding of what ether is... This is a definition I found...
In physics, aether theories (also known as ether theories) propose the existence of a medium, a space-filling substance or field, thought to be necessary as a transmission medium for the propagation of electromagnetic or gravitational forces...

Im reminded of a pressure tank with the forces inside acting perpendicular to its surface. But Tesla was shunned unfortunately after he tried to provide the world with free energy and so many of his inventions, ideas, and theories were lost.

Einstein was once asked how it felt to be the smartest man on earth, he replied by saying he didn't know and to ask Tesla... He has many great quotes, my favourite is this one...
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence

Electricity is a non-physical phenomenon, so is God... But science has not taken Tesla's recommendation... Instead, they insist that science can only study the observable, a rule that was brought in, intentionally it seems, to black God from scientific inquiry...

How many maps do you need?

I don't "need" any but if I am to better understand the theory then a map of where the countries are would be great.

You can really use any convex map, but you will have to view the map inside out.

Oh so your saying that it is a closed sphere. That changes things cos its not what I had imagined. Its provided some food for thought anyway.

Is this a duck or rabbit?

Ah I love these mind-bending pictures... I could only see the duck at the start. I had to really work it to see the rabbit.

Ok then. Check out this...

Is that picture static or in motion???

 

[kinda]

If I'm going to get more serious about Teslas ether theory then I thought I better try and get a better understanding of what ether is... This is a definition I found...
In physics, aether theories (also known as ether theories) propose the existence of a medium, a space-filling substance or field, thought to be necessary as a transmission medium for the propagation of electromagnetic or gravitational forces...

Im reminded of a pressure tank with the forces inside acting perpendicular to its surface. But Tesla was shunned unfortunately after he tried to provide the world with free energy and so many of his inventions, ideas, and theories were lost.

Einstein was once asked how it felt to be the smartest man on earth, he replied by saying he didn't know and to ask Tesla... He has many great quotes, my favourite is this one...
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence

Electricity is a non-physical phenomenon, so is God... But science has not taken Tesla's recommendation... Instead, they insist that science can only study the observable, a rule that was brought in, intentionally it seems, to black God from scientific inquiry...



I don't "need" any but if I am to better understand the theory then a map of where the countries are would be great.



Oh so your saying that it is a closed sphere. That changes things cos its not what I had imagined. Its provided some food for thought anyway.



Ah I love these mind-bending pictures... I could only see the duck at the start. I had to really work it to see the rabbit.

Ok then. Check out this...

Is that picture static or in motion???

That is a straight hippy trip out image! Woah dude!

Don't ask me what's underneath the earth, or how far it is deep, because I don't know.

What's important is what's above ground right?

 

[PC123]

That is a straight hippy trip out image! Woah dude!

Don't ask me what's underneath the earth, or how far it is deep, because I don't know.

What's important is what's above ground right?

These images all appear to be moving
But try to focus on one spot and you will notice that the image stops moving.




So then... Can we believe everything that we see?

 

[kinda]

These images all appear to be moving
But try to focus on one spot and you will notice that the image stops moving.

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So then... Can we believe everything that we see?

So, are you on the fence on the earth's shape, your not sure, or inline with the mainstream convex earth?

 

[PC123]

So, are you on the fence on the earth's shape, your not sure, or inline with the mainstream convex earth?

Ye, I'm on the fence about the earth's shape and its motion along with the stars...

I understand your concave theory now... Its a full sphere...
From that first diagram u put up I thought it was half a sphere, I see now that its a full sphere cut in half...

So u can disregard my questions about where south is... LoL... I think...
Its a bit of a mind-bender but I think the compass would work just fine in the ball and the north star would be ok as well as the southern cross...

Have u heard of Bill Nye? His a mainstream science guy that always wears a bow tie. He's an anti-theist and I'm not a fan of him but I'm reminded of something he once said, that the earth is a close system, that we cannot leave it. Maybe he's onto something, for once.