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You have managed to completely missed the point and lesson of that passage.
I will put in context and explain that which seems to be self-explanatory for most.
Matthew
15:21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
This shows us that Jesus extends His grace to ALL, both Jew and Gentile. Shame on you if you have deliberately purposed in your heart to mislead others concerning the grace and love of Jesus.
I will put in context and explain that which seems to be self-explanatory for most.
Matthew
15:21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
This shows us that Jesus extends His grace to ALL, both Jew and Gentile. Shame on you if you have deliberately purposed in your heart to mislead others concerning the grace and love of Jesus.
And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Yes Jesus healed her daughter because She recognised who he was . But typically you miss what Jesus says and your completely missing my point through virtue signalling. He came to “fulfill the law”
Do you think he's going to deny her request after her plea ? Her faith is the point also. Great faith .
But ! and as the narrative shows his programme was to Israel. He says so .
How can you argue with his words here ? Mat 10
5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Do you think the disciples are sneaking of and receiving a few gentiles like Jesus and disobeying His command? . No a gentile HAD to become a proselyte ( FACT ) .
Why do you ignore Jesus here ?
22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23¶But he answered her NOT A WORD . And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send HER AWAY ; for she crieth after us.
24¶But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
This still stands. He didn't suddenly think, after meeting this Women " oh ,you know i just said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ? Well this women she's completely changed the entire programme , prophecies and all the Ot requirements and for all things to be fulfilled, what the heck , let's scrap that plan "
Do you think he's going to deny her request after her plea ? Her faith is the point also. Great faith .
But ! and as the narrative shows his programme was to Israel. He says so .
How can you argue with his words here ? Mat 10
5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Do you think the disciples are sneaking of and receiving a few gentiles like Jesus and disobeying His command? . No a gentile HAD to become a proselyte ( FACT ) .
Why do you ignore Jesus here ?
22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23¶But he answered her NOT A WORD . And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send HER AWAY ; for she crieth after us.
24¶But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
This still stands. He didn't suddenly think, after meeting this Women " oh ,you know i just said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ? Well this women she's completely changed the entire programme , prophecies and all the Ot requirements and for all things to be fulfilled, what the heck , let's scrap that plan "
There is no ALL at this point ( with some exceptions , like the women receiving the crumbs ) If you stop virtue signalling and getting all sanctimonious you might see
"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
And realise we're grafted in due to their rejection ( temporarily) Romans 11
"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
And realise we're grafted in due to their rejection ( temporarily) Romans 11
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Whoops.
Sorry (sincerely), but I honestly misread one of your earlier responses.
You said:
In my haste, and because I was doing multiple things at the same time, I honestly only read the "Yeah sure they are fulfilling the great commission all the while" part, and I took that as an admission on your part. Had I actually read and understood your full comments in context, then I never would have responded the way that I did.
My bad.
To that point, I do have several other things to see to right now, so I might not be back in this discussion for the rest of the day.
In either case, I wanted to take a moment to genuinely apologize.
I honestly did misread your post.
Sorry.
I'll be more careful in the future.
Sorry (sincerely), but I honestly misread one of your earlier responses.
You said:
In my haste, and because I was doing multiple things at the same time, I honestly only read the "Yeah sure they are fulfilling the great commission all the while" part, and I took that as an admission on your part. Had I actually read and understood your full comments in context, then I never would have responded the way that I did.
My bad.
To that point, I do have several other things to see to right now, so I might not be back in this discussion for the rest of the day.
In either case, I wanted to take a moment to genuinely apologize.
I honestly did misread your post.
Sorry.
I'll be more careful in the future.
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Thanks.
One more quick thing...
Could you possibly tell me, in just a few sentences or so, what it is that you actually believe?
I mean, I just joined here, and I'm bouncing around from thread to thread and gathering little pieces of insight into what people actually believe, and it would make it a lot easier to communicate with you if you just told me what your actual beliefs are.
I'm really busy in general, so I'm honestly here on borrowed time, so to speak, and I simply don't have the time to research individuals' beliefs.
Anyhow, if you could just give me a little synopsis so I better understand where you're coming from, then I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thanks, again.
One more quick thing...
Could you possibly tell me, in just a few sentences or so, what it is that you actually believe?
I mean, I just joined here, and I'm bouncing around from thread to thread and gathering little pieces of insight into what people actually believe, and it would make it a lot easier to communicate with you if you just told me what your actual beliefs are.
I'm really busy in general, so I'm honestly here on borrowed time, so to speak, and I simply don't have the time to research individuals' beliefs.
Anyhow, if you could just give me a little synopsis so I better understand where you're coming from, then I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thanks, again.
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A warm welcome to you. Sorry that you had to see all this flack flying around. It is shameful, I agree. I know your question was addressed to someone else, but I might as well share my understanding also. I believe that this is what the Lord would have me do.
I believe that Christianity is about having a very real relationship with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He made coming to Himself very easy. Easy enough for a child to do. That is what I like about Revelation 3:20...
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
The thief on the Cross and the women who spoke of dogs and crumbs simply came to Him with with a humble and contrite heart.
God does, of course, want us to know what made this precious gift of salvation so accessible and available to all. It is the Blood His dear Son Jesus shed for us on the Cross. Jesus' blood has such power to cleanse because He is a sinless sacrifice for our sinful nature that we were all born with (selfishness, pride, etc.)
Important things to know about Jesus are:
- He was there with His Father from eternity past.
- He came down and shed His perfect blood for us 2000 years ago when He died on the Cross.
- He arose from death and is in Heaven and will soon come back for all who have accepted Him as their Lord and Savior.
How God wants us to live:
Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
When we come to Him, we become Born Again and He puts His Holy Spirit inside us to give us comfort and understanding. He wants us to experience His presence within, every day. Just take time daily to listen to Him as He speaks with that still, small voice.
God bless you and Godspeed.
I believe that Christianity is about having a very real relationship with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He made coming to Himself very easy. Easy enough for a child to do. That is what I like about Revelation 3:20...
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
The thief on the Cross and the women who spoke of dogs and crumbs simply came to Him with with a humble and contrite heart.
God does, of course, want us to know what made this precious gift of salvation so accessible and available to all. It is the Blood His dear Son Jesus shed for us on the Cross. Jesus' blood has such power to cleanse because He is a sinless sacrifice for our sinful nature that we were all born with (selfishness, pride, etc.)
Important things to know about Jesus are:
- He was there with His Father from eternity past.
- He came down and shed His perfect blood for us 2000 years ago when He died on the Cross.
- He arose from death and is in Heaven and will soon come back for all who have accepted Him as their Lord and Savior.
How God wants us to live:
Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
When we come to Him, we become Born Again and He puts His Holy Spirit inside us to give us comfort and understanding. He wants us to experience His presence within, every day. Just take time daily to listen to Him as He speaks with that still, small voice.
God bless you and Godspeed.
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So there are a few here that are trying to teach hyperdispensationalism. Something about two gospels, one before the cross and one by Paul. And a no need for baptism in water. Then there are a few here that teach a Free Grace Theology who teach that repentance is not necessary and you only have to believe and you shouldn't say that a persons holy life will prove they are Christians because then salvation would be by works and you just have to believe.
They claim to preach what the reformers said about faith alone but they aren't. Their interpretation of repentance is that it only means change your mind and not having remorse, contrition or commitment to turn from sin etc. And then there are a few who are mixing both these of these teachings together.
Sort of a mix of Zane Hodges, or Les Feldick or David Anderson, Bruce Wilkinson. They think they are presenting their teaching correctly like what they have heard on the youtube sermons they've been listening to but they are doing a very poor job of it so most of their threads are just people wondering what they are trying to say and pointing out their erroneous statements.
It's not really heresy since they do pretty much believe in the same things about Jesus and salvation but they are just trying to pass on these confusing ideas that they have been taught about how to divide the scriptures into dispensations and how they think one is supposed to interpret scriptures properly,
It is more of an annoying habit than a genuine gift of teaching. Like a wood, hay and stubble thing. They aren't going to be lost over it but they are not going to be rewarded for their nonsense either.
That's how I see it.
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Hi, oyster67.
Don't worry, in my 32+ years of being a Christian, I've seen enough "flack flying" to build a flacking airport...lol.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoints.
I know that you and I presently disagree in regard to certain end-time events, but I discerned from the beginning that you're kind-hearted, and I appreciate that.
Have a blessed night.
Don't worry, in my 32+ years of being a Christian, I've seen enough "flack flying" to build a flacking airport...lol.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoints.
I know that you and I presently disagree in regard to certain end-time events, but I discerned from the beginning that you're kind-hearted, and I appreciate that.
Have a blessed night.
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Hi, Scribe.
Thanks for your insights.
Well, I can assure you that I don't believe in Dispensationalism...whether hyper- or other.
I can also assure you that I don't believe that there are truly two gospels (although there are many false gospels), but instead that the same gospel has been being preached from the garden of Eden forward.
I most definitely believe that water baptism is necessary unless it is somehow impossible...like in the situation with the thief on the cross.
I also most definitely believe that there is no salvation apart from genuine repentance, and that repentance is far more than just a change of mind.
I also definitely believe that a holy life is proof that one has truly been born again of the Holy Spirit, and that God actually commands us to be holy as he is holy by the power of his indwelling Spirit.
I also definitely believe that faith without works is dead, and I recently shared some scriptures that explain my viewpoint more fully on another thread here.
I personally abandoned watching any so-called "Christian videos" on YouTube many years ago because I could never find anybody who actually knew what they were talking about (maybe things have changed for the better since then?).
Finally, although I've only been here for 2 or 3 days (I've been in so many arguments already that I don't even remember which day I joined...lol), I can see that several people here who fancy themselves to be teachers desperately need to be taught themselves.
Thankfully, I've also encountered some people who genuinely seem to know what they are talking about, so I'm thankful for that.
Anyhow, those are some of my thoughts in relation to the things that you mentioned...for whatever it's worth.
Thanks for your insights.
Well, I can assure you that I don't believe in Dispensationalism...whether hyper- or other.
I can also assure you that I don't believe that there are truly two gospels (although there are many false gospels), but instead that the same gospel has been being preached from the garden of Eden forward.
I most definitely believe that water baptism is necessary unless it is somehow impossible...like in the situation with the thief on the cross.
I also most definitely believe that there is no salvation apart from genuine repentance, and that repentance is far more than just a change of mind.
I also definitely believe that a holy life is proof that one has truly been born again of the Holy Spirit, and that God actually commands us to be holy as he is holy by the power of his indwelling Spirit.
I also definitely believe that faith without works is dead, and I recently shared some scriptures that explain my viewpoint more fully on another thread here.
I personally abandoned watching any so-called "Christian videos" on YouTube many years ago because I could never find anybody who actually knew what they were talking about (maybe things have changed for the better since then?).
Finally, although I've only been here for 2 or 3 days (I've been in so many arguments already that I don't even remember which day I joined...lol), I can see that several people here who fancy themselves to be teachers desperately need to be taught themselves.
Thankfully, I've also encountered some people who genuinely seem to know what they are talking about, so I'm thankful for that.
Anyhow, those are some of my thoughts in relation to the things that you mentioned...for whatever it's worth.
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I think you are going to be a great asset to the forums. I am glad you are here. It is a good platform for:
1) determining authorial intent of a scripture when people contribute to discussing a verse using rules of interpretation. It can be edifying for everyone and help someone in the world who reads it.
2) It is a great way to practice your touch typing skills, and articulation and communication skills. Especially on how to be concise.
3) It is great practice for learning how to not be provoked, not engage with intellectual dishonesty, and not strive.
4) And great practice learning how to be kind and patient with all men, apt to teach, easy to be entreated. I think if I can learn to write in such a way that people feel that I care about them I have learned a good writing style.
1) determining authorial intent of a scripture when people contribute to discussing a verse using rules of interpretation. It can be edifying for everyone and help someone in the world who reads it.
2) It is a great way to practice your touch typing skills, and articulation and communication skills. Especially on how to be concise.
3) It is great practice for learning how to not be provoked, not engage with intellectual dishonesty, and not strive.
4) And great practice learning how to be kind and patient with all men, apt to teach, easy to be entreated. I think if I can learn to write in such a way that people feel that I care about them I have learned a good writing style.
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