Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?
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When satan fell, did he take the Earth down with him? Did God then decide to start humans that had souls this time?
Genesis 3:19 (King James Version): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
So, wait, did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? So Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree?
Genesis 3:19 (King James Version): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
So, wait, did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? So Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree?
These are kinds of questions of a seeker of the kingdom.
1. The Garden of Eden, is the Garden eastward from Eden. Eden, is the heavens world for Mankind.
2. The Fall of Man was caused by the eating of a certain fruit, a celestial fruit, which altered to cell system of the body that was coupled for Father Adam, and Mother Eve. The alteration went through many different stages, (revealed by Jesus His Pre-Eminence), until it became the blood cell system, the mortal state.
3. When the fall of man happened, it affected the earth as well. The reason is because it was the raw materials that coupled the body for Father Adam, that were taken out of the earth (that had not yet fallen). The earth was baptized into these raw materials, and when the body of Adam was altered, it affected the earth as well.
4. Original sin, is the mortal nature.
5. The City of Eden is vieled, finished, and will be revealed after the second resurrection.
6. GOD did not curse either the woman or the Man or the earth. GOD is not double tongued, HE does not bless and curse with the same mouth. GOD revealed to them what has now happened because of the fall. The ground was not cursed, the earth fell, and GOD revealed how that earth is now. Father Adam was not cursed, GOD revealed that the body he has will sweat now. Mother Eve was not cursed, GOD revealed how her first conception, and birth would be.
1. The Garden of Eden, is the Garden eastward from Eden. Eden, is the heavens world for Mankind.
2. The Fall of Man was caused by the eating of a certain fruit, a celestial fruit, which altered to cell system of the body that was coupled for Father Adam, and Mother Eve. The alteration went through many different stages, (revealed by Jesus His Pre-Eminence), until it became the blood cell system, the mortal state.
3. When the fall of man happened, it affected the earth as well. The reason is because it was the raw materials that coupled the body for Father Adam, that were taken out of the earth (that had not yet fallen). The earth was baptized into these raw materials, and when the body of Adam was altered, it affected the earth as well.
4. Original sin, is the mortal nature.
5. The City of Eden is vieled, finished, and will be revealed after the second resurrection.
6. GOD did not curse either the woman or the Man or the earth. GOD is not double tongued, HE does not bless and curse with the same mouth. GOD revealed to them what has now happened because of the fall. The ground was not cursed, the earth fell, and GOD revealed how that earth is now. Father Adam was not cursed, GOD revealed that the body he has will sweat now. Mother Eve was not cursed, GOD revealed how her first conception, and birth would be.
I replied to your statement wherein you indicating "satan can hop around to anything that is fallen. That is why he was in the garden."
The garden was not "fallen" ... nor was the ground outside Eden "fallen".
Prior to Adam and Eve sinning, only satan and his minions were fallen. According to Gen 1:31, everything God had made was very good. That included the earth ... the whole earth, not just the garden.
The garden was not "fallen" ... nor was the ground outside Eden "fallen".
Prior to Adam and Eve sinning, only satan and his minions were fallen. According to Gen 1:31, everything God had made was very good. That included the earth ... the whole earth, not just the garden.
We learn that the term 'garden' in the Bible refers to God's spouse, the true believers: "
A garden enclosed
Is my sister, my spouse,
A spring shut up,
A fountain sealed.
" (Song of Songs 4:12)
So when the book of Genesis tells us that God planted a garden eastward, he is using parable language to describe how he plants true believers towards Christ (eastward). Incidentally, the tree of life is in the midst of the garden. The tree of life is a description of Jesus. Indeed, the Bible (often using Jesus' direct reference) describes people as trees, by parable usage, metaphor.
A garden enclosed
Is my sister, my spouse,
A spring shut up,
A fountain sealed.
" (Song of Songs 4:12)
So when the book of Genesis tells us that God planted a garden eastward, he is using parable language to describe how he plants true believers towards Christ (eastward). Incidentally, the tree of life is in the midst of the garden. The tree of life is a description of Jesus. Indeed, the Bible (often using Jesus' direct reference) describes people as trees, by parable usage, metaphor.
"Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?"
For what it's worth, the Book of Jubilees writes of how Adam and Eve sinned on the day of Adam's 8th birthday, meaning that for the first exact seven years of their lives (to the day), they lived in utter perfection.
Another writing, called "The First Book of Adam and Eve" gives a mind-blowing account of how after Adam and Eve had sinned, they were so mind struck over the effects, that multiple times they tried to kill themselves simply over the grief that was consuming them. This would indicate that no, the world was not corrupt, but instead was called "good" by the Lord. And when the Lord refers to something as "good," He really means that it is perfect.
Just ideas . . .
For what it's worth, the Book of Jubilees writes of how Adam and Eve sinned on the day of Adam's 8th birthday, meaning that for the first exact seven years of their lives (to the day), they lived in utter perfection.
Another writing, called "The First Book of Adam and Eve" gives a mind-blowing account of how after Adam and Eve had sinned, they were so mind struck over the effects, that multiple times they tried to kill themselves simply over the grief that was consuming them. This would indicate that no, the world was not corrupt, but instead was called "good" by the Lord. And when the Lord refers to something as "good," He really means that it is perfect.
Just ideas . . .
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Prior to Adam circa 6000 years ago, homo sapiens had been around for nearly 200,000 years. In all that time homo sapiens were not illumined by the Lord, until God/love first made Adam in His image having love. Prior to Adam, homo sapiens were maybe one wrung up on the beasts in the field. For some unknown reason to me, the Lord in the spiritual garden of Eden given to Adam, also puts the tree of knowledge in the garden of enlightenment, but is commanded not to eat from the tree of knowledge. For some other unknown reason to me, the devil is now interested in the enlightened loving homo sapien Adam, and wants him to sample the knowledge he will provide him. Sin/misdirections enter the world through the knowledge of the world the devil now provides mankind.
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I can't edit the first post of this thread and the admins won't let me start a new thread. So, I'll do this:
Did God create Adam AFTER the first week of Creation? If so, would that mean He started humans without souls in the first week?
God created man on the sixth day ..but does that have to mean Adam? Could Adam be the first man with a soul and placed in the safe-zone Garden? That would mean when Adam and Eve fell they had other humans (without souls) to procreate with. The other animal humans were already fallen when satan brought his corruption to Earth.
Did the following happen after the first week of Creation?
Did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree because he was innocent.
When satan fell, did he take the Earth down with him? Did God then decide to start humans that had souls this time?
How does a good God give a morality test to humans unless they are able to sin?
God swapped the problem of satan into a solution to find worthy souls for infinity.
It doesn't matter if God knew Adam and Eve would eventually fall because we are given a way to be saved. We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin ..separated from God. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here. The test only matters because of what Jesus did.
God doesn't create evil, but is there a rule that says He can't create something out of fallen Earth if the finished object ends up innocent?
Was the rest of the Garden made of fallen Earth, but in God's good grace? Was the Garden a weird mix of physical and physics that didn't have decay, death, and entropy?
Did satan highjack wave collapse causing corrupted physical history for soulless humans that were already here? Was evolution put in place? Would that mean evolution can't be used as an excuse anymore?
Did God create Adam AFTER the first week of Creation? If so, would that mean He started humans without souls in the first week?
God created man on the sixth day ..but does that have to mean Adam? Could Adam be the first man with a soul and placed in the safe-zone Garden? That would mean when Adam and Eve fell they had other humans (without souls) to procreate with. The other animal humans were already fallen when satan brought his corruption to Earth.
- Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
- And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Did the following happen after the first week of Creation?
- And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
- 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Did God create Adam with fallen Earth? Is it similar in that Jesus was "made Him to be sin"? Adam was made of fallen Earth, but it didn't give him the knowledge of the Tree because he was innocent.
- Genesis 3:19 (King James Version): In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
When satan fell, did he take the Earth down with him? Did God then decide to start humans that had souls this time?
How does a good God give a morality test to humans unless they are able to sin?
God swapped the problem of satan into a solution to find worthy souls for infinity.
It doesn't matter if God knew Adam and Eve would eventually fall because we are given a way to be saved. We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin ..separated from God. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here. The test only matters because of what Jesus did.
God doesn't create evil, but is there a rule that says He can't create something out of fallen Earth if the finished object ends up innocent?
Was the rest of the Garden made of fallen Earth, but in God's good grace? Was the Garden a weird mix of physical and physics that didn't have decay, death, and entropy?
Did satan highjack wave collapse causing corrupted physical history for soulless humans that were already here? Was evolution put in place? Would that mean evolution can't be used as an excuse anymore?
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I have a hard time just calling Adam an "enlightened loving homo sapien" if it means he looked and acted just like whatever other creatures were around before him. I think whatever other creatures were around were just like other animals created by God even if they might look more like humans. I mean even monkeys and apes have features that are human-like, but that doesn't mean they are human.
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I am sorry, are you claiming that Adam was not human? I can't believe what i just read. Do you think Father Adam is just nothing? Wow, do you hate him? Did you read that Adam named all the animals? did you read that Adam even named his wife and gave reasons for that name? Did you read that Adam also knew somehow (though he was ina deep sleep), that GOD formed the woman from his rib? But he is not human?
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