Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

[pittsburghjoe]

How can the Almighty be a Villain knowing the End from the Beginning? It's called His Purpose and Will and it was done!

You are saying God provoked satan to be evil ..get real.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think your asking if transgression created the flesh ? The physical existence of mankind ?

I would say that transgression corrupted the body , corrupted what God had already created and set it on a miscourse Because he gave us free will, and stewardship of earth.

the body was created by the lord from the earth and the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden , and then the knowledge of good and evil corrupted the body and we have the term flesh.

we were already physical already like Jesus resurrected body , and we partook of a curse and became like we are now born under sentence of death. The gospel is about restoration of what was taken in the beginning

when he created man he placed then in the garden and gave them the right to the tree of life then they transgressed

“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:22-24‬ ‭

that was not Gods will his will was for them to be in Eden with him and live

Jesus is about restoring what was taken

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:

this is only one example but he restores what Satan took away in the beginning

there are two realms of creation the earthly and the heavenly . We have to forms of body earthly and heavenly not flesh and blood reference here

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:40, 44, 49-50‬ ‭

flesh and blood can’t inherit but we have two forms the flesh and the spirit . Flesh is about a corrupted body , being born again promises a heavenly body

we aren’t what we were , what we are going to be is what we were meant to be before transgression

So, was Eden temporary Heaven on Earth?

If we won't be physical in Heaven could we be structured in God's imagination in a different way?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I agree. Until Cain went and married with the homo sapiens; and Seth the same; homo sapiens and their offspring were then free from the tree of knowledge. It is only after their being made aware of the new sciences available to them, when the falling took off.

Roman's 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We already know we won't be able to sin in Heaven. So I don't think it is going to look much like this place. If we become one with God ..is that the same thing as saying we are in Heaven? I think we become Virtual in God's mind. QM already shows us virtual waves make interference patterns. Could those waves in superposition be God's brain waves?

 

[KingdomBrat]

You are saying God provoked satan to be evil ..get real.

Nope, I am saying that God Created a system to where He would have to Personally interject and intercede for by literally [dying] for us. This was the [Plan] before God made Satan and the heavenly host.

 

[KingdomBrat]

We can see God interjecting and interceding for His Creation in both the Life of Christ and His fulfillment and when we see Miracles.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God didn't want pointless robots so this series of events is what leads to finding thoughtful souls to entangle with for infinity.

 

[oyster67]

Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth?

Nope, there was a very nasty snake in the Garden.

Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

The Earth was good until the Fall.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I would be cool if you read past the headline of the thread.

 

[oyster67]

I would be cool if you read past the headline of the thread.

I thought it was pretty cool how I addressed the headline directly.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You wouldn't have wrote what you did if had any idea what was going on.

 

[luigi]

God didn't want pointless robots so this series of events is what leads to finding thoughtful souls to entangle with for infinity.

God wants those who love love (John 4:23-24). We will either love this world and the things it has, or we will want to love God over the things this world has.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God wants those who love love (John 4:23-24). We will either love this world and the things it has, or we will want to love God over the things this world has.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here.

Imagine you're God, you have infinity to do whatever. You decide you want people that can think for themselves to be in your existence (free will). The only problem is that they can't be corrupted or it screws with your system.

God is perfect order, coherence.

Sin is disorder, decoherence.

God needs us to be orderly to be entangled with him.

You need coherent waves to quantum entangle.

 

[luigi]

We became about ourselves here, we got the ability to sin. This morality test is about picking Jesus or the sins that are possible here.

Imagine you're God, you have infinity to do whatever. You decide you want people that can think for themselves to be in your existence (free will). The only problem is that they can't be corrupted or it screws with your system.

God is perfect order, coherence.

Sin is disorder, decoherence.

God needs us to be orderly to be entangled with him.

You need coherent waves to quantum entangle.

Nice way of putting things.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Was decoherence/wave collapse hijacked by satan? Did he cause it to have decay, entropy, and death?

Before satan, did decoherence require disorder of coherence? Did God have a different form of physicality in place?

 

[luigi]

As the Satan's do not fight amongst themselves (Matthew 12:25-26), there is then some level of coherence/order within Satan's misdirection's/sins.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think satan has something to do with Phi, the golden ratio. These might represent satan hijacking physicality.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is it like Mac vs Pc file formats? Or a working file vs a corrupt file?
God wouldn't use the fallen version of the Earth to create humans. So the corruption of Earth happened after satan sinned.
Did God place a save-zone (good file format) Garden on the fallen Earth? Did He keep one tree in the corrupt format?

The Earth was originally physical ..but a different type of physical.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God created man on the sixth day ..but does that have to mean Adam? Could Adam be the first man with a soul and placed in the safe-zone Garden? That would mean when Adam and Eve fell they had other humans (without souls) to procreate with. The other animal humans were already fallen when satan brought his corruption to Earth.

Did the following happen after the first week of Creation?

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Adam and Eve didn't multiply until after the fall ..so was this about the soulless humans?

satan's highjacked wave collapse caused corrupted physical history for soulless humans. Evolution was put in place.