As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[Truth7t7]

Before the Flood and as part of the Apocalypse. Two instances in the Bible. Where we stand in history, one has happened and one will happen soon.

So you believe the 1st group of fallen angels were put in chains pre-flood?

Do you believe fallen Angel's and devils are different groups?

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

What about the ones that were still running around post-Calvary possessing people like in the days of Paul when he had to cast out that demon spirit from the woman at Philippi...or the ones Jesus said Christians will be casting out as part of the signs that will "follow them"?

The Biblical evidence shows you're simply wrong about all demons being bound in chains of darkness -- so, please tell us why demons aren't getting their freak on with the likes of Lady Gaga or Katy Perry. Are they gender-confused demons? Or politically correct “me too” demons?

So you believe the 1st group of fallen angels were put in chains pre-flood?

Do you believe fallen Angel's and devils are different groups?

Demons aren't fallen angels. Demons are evil spirits. Their source is the dragon's breath, the three lies like toads in his mouth from the previous Revelation quote which bluntly tells you their power and source.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yea the dragon named Satan's breath is indeed where the demons come from, the first three lies he told in the garden. He does all that in the future in the animal cursed above all animals last desperate rage knowing his time is short. That red dragon gives his own power to the beast which is the final false kingdom of the earth and to the beast which is the man of sin and the son of perdition that king of North which creates the idol in the image of the first beast's image which makes desolation. The darkest crescendo of their brief attempt to rule falsely, but for nought because Lord Jesus and the saints and the good angels come at the right hand of power and utterly slaughter them all and throw them into the lake of fire at the end of the world.

Scripture teaches that the (Devils) are separate entities from Satan/Dragon, (Daimon) the same (Devils) that were cast into the swine, separate from Satan/Dragon, literal spiritual entities.

You try to disguise these individual entities as Satans breath in telling lies (Wrong)

Lexicon :: Strong's G1142 - daimōn

Revelation 16:14KJV
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Matthew 8:31KJV
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

Mark 5:12KJV
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Demons aren't fallen angels. Demons are evil spirits. Their source is the dragon's breath, the three lies like toads in his mouth from the previous Revelation quote which bluntly tells you their power and source.

Revelation 12:7-9 took place prior to the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, as the Lord stated Luke 10:18 as past tense from his statement while walking the earth?

Luke 10:18 clearly gives the description of devils mentioned, and Jesus responds with he beheld satan fall from heaven as lightning (Same Context) devils/satan

It's my observation and opinion, that the fallen Angel's in Rev 12:7-9 are (Devils), and I haven't seen scripture to prove otherwise?

Revelation 12:7-9KJV
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

How did the devils know Jesus Christ, from their first estate in heaven

Mark 1:34KJV
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

Revelation 12:7-9 took place prior to the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, as the Lord stated Luke 10:18 as past tense from his statement while walking the earth?

Luke 10:18 clearly gives the description of devils mentioned, and Jesus responds with he beheld satan fall from heaven as lightning (Same Context) devils/satan

It's my observation and opinion, that the fallen Angel's in Rev 12:7-9 are (Devils), and I haven't seen scripture to prove otherwise?

Revelation 12:7-9KJV
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 10:18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

How did the devils know Jesus Christ, from their first estate in heaven

Mark 1:34KJV
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

No those signs of Revelation have certainly not happened yet as the preceding signs have not happened yet and you're not going to be able to miss those. The End is a pretty severe time. Soon though.

As for fallen angels, they're just fallen angels, they're not the demons. The spirit is the breath. The dragon in the garden twisted his evil breath to tell the Three Lies, he tells the same Three Lies in fact again when he tempts Lord Jesus. These Three Lies are the power of devils. That old dragon got two names; Satan and Devil. Satan means Enemy, the name given to him when he earned the curse from God to have Enmity with man. The name Devil means Liar, because that's the first sin, that's how he made all the world fall by forging the first Three Lies in his mouth and using them to deceive Woman.

 

[Truth7t7]

No those signs of Revelation have certainly not happened yet as the preceding signs have not happened yet and you're not going to be able to miss those. The End is a pretty severe time. Soon though.

As for fallen angels, they're just fallen angels, they're not the demons. The spirit is the breath. The dragon in the garden twisted his evil breath to tell the Three Lies, he tells the same Three Lies in fact again when he tempts Lord Jesus. These Three Lies are the power of devils. That old dragon got two names; Satan and Devil. Satan means Enemy, the name given to him when he earned the curse from God to have Enmity with man. The name Devil means Liar, because that's the first sin, that's how he made all the world fall by forging the first Three Lies in his mouth and using them to deceive Woman.

You provide big "Stories" without scriptural support

I have provided scripture and a clear explanation below, we will disagree

Revelation 12:7-9 took place prior to the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, as the Lord stated Luke 10:18 as past tense from his statement while walking the earth?

Luke 10:18 clearly gives the description of devils mentioned, and Jesus responds with he beheld satan fall from heaven as lightning (Same Context) devils/satan

It's my observation and opinion, that the fallen Angel's in Rev 12:7-9 are (Devils), and I haven't seen scripture to prove otherwise?

Revelation 12:7-9KJV
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Jesus Describes The Event Of Revelation 12:7-9 Below As (Past Tense) To His Disciples In His Earthly Ministry, A Fulfilled Event, That Took Place Once.

Luke 10:18KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

How did the devils know Jesus Christ, from their first estate in heaven

Mark 1:34KJV
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

 

[iamsoandso]

Good observation! And speaking of eating and drinking, I seem to remember there being a report that Pepsi in some manner uses aborted fetal tissue.

Yep it seems as if we put enough pressure on these companies by talking about them then they will change their practice (I notice Pepsi changed from using it in this article) https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/post/fetal-cells-in-the-cosmetics-food-and-medical-industries It seems as though many companies use it in makeup,wrinkle cream ect. as well as many of the products using "artificial sweeteners" in their products. It offends me to find out that many of these vaccines,foods snacks ect. used this and that probably most of us have taken or eaten them without knowing we were. Anyway some companies did respond to us talking about them or not buying their products so it seems to be working(list in the article) so we need to get louder and louder until they all get the message. I Googled "Senomyx" and found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senomyx but their are probably others.

 

[Phoneman-777]

If the "sons of God" that had sex with Antediluvian women were fallen angels, anybody wanna explain why they aren't running around roughshod having sex and making hell-spawn giant babies today?

It's not like they can't find any willing participants, what with all the godless, reprobate women in Hollywood, or those of the DNC who voted to kick God out of their 2012 convention.

In their defense, the Antediluvian age WAS thousands of years ago, so maybe old age caught up to 'em, right? Maybe they all need a good dose of Viagra or some exotic demon love potion with some eye of newt, right?

 

[SophieT]

I doubt God needs your permission to have or not have a last days revival.

Talk about decieved. You have positioned yourself to think miracles and revivals are both from hell,deception,and lies.

The deception would seem to be me thinking you can respond to people with sounding like you need an anger management program

 

[SophieT]

Some would consider the 6th century inception of the Papacy, its baptism and incorporation of every stripe and type of Pagan symbolism and ritual, its total corruption of Biblical truth which included even the elementary foundational doctrine of "salvation by grace through faith alone", and its sentencing to death of between 50 - 150 MILLION innocent Christians for "heresy", as the fulfillment of the "falling away" -- as in the millions of Protestant Christians worldwide who held to this view until only about 100 years ago when rejected, discarded 16th century Jesuit ideas began to replace centuries old, firmly established Protestant Reformation eschatological interpretations.

Never heard of that one, but this is the BDF so I would not doubt that to be so. Not in my personal considerations though.

 

[Hevosmies]

Time to put the children on ignore. Then they can rant and believe whatever fairy tales they've dreamed up in their non Biblical heads buh bye!

Dont forget the topdog himself here (me) agrees with you on this particular topic! ISNT THAT ALL THAT MATTERS?

So now the question is: SINCE it will be like the days of Noah, WHEN wil lthe nephilim come back and in WHAT FORM? spirits or actual real giants that people will say are UFOs?

 

[Hevosmies]

I doubt God needs your permission to have or not have a last days revival.

Talk about decieved. You have positioned yourself to think miracles and revivals are both from hell,deception,and lies.

But aint she right tho? The Bible DOES talk about a FALLING AWAY.

How come alls we hear about is revival from the sissified churches with their ripped skinny jeans wearing metrosexual pastors?

I agree with her in this case, 99% mark it down if its POPULAR and on TELEVISION its garbage preaching. People love to hear how great they are so its one of them ones the itching ears, like mr OSTEEN.

 

[Hevosmies]

Some would consider the 6th century inception of the Papacy, its baptism and incorporation of every stripe and type of Pagan symbolism and ritual, its total corruption of Biblical truth which included even the elementary foundational doctrine of "salvation by grace through faith alone", and its sentencing to death of between 50 - 150 MILLION innocent Christians for "heresy", as the fulfillment of the "falling away" -- as in the millions of Protestant Christians worldwide who held to this view until only about 100 years ago when rejected, discarded 16th century Jesuit ideas began to replace centuries old, firmly established Protestant Reformation eschatological interpretations.

TELL ME about this eschatological interpretation? You mean historicism or what?

How does the baptism of the catholic church fulfill prophecy? YOU ARE RIGHT THO, the catholic churches have all sorts of pagan junk all over the place! The apostles would FAINT going to a catholic church... BEING JEWS!

 

[Phoneman-777]

TELL ME about this eschatological interpretation? You mean historicism or what?

How does the baptism of the catholic church fulfill prophecy? YOU ARE RIGHT THO, the catholic churches have all sorts of pagan junk all over the place! The apostles would FAINT going to a catholic church... BEING JEWS!

Yes, Protestant Historicism. Because it had such power to cause a major exodus of catholic faithful from catholicism to Protestantism, the papacy got their heads together and came up with a solution: “FIND AN ALTERNATIVE INTERPRETATION OF END TIMES PROPHECY WHICH WILL EXONERATE THE PAPACY”.

The Jesuit Order was commissioned to come up with such interpretations, and after some time two new interpretations emerged. The first one was by Jesuit Alcazar in which he said the antichrist arose in the first century and all the prophecies had already been fulfilled.

However, the other interpretation was by Jesuit Ribera who said that the antichrist was one man who would come at the end of time during the last seven years of tribulation and would sit in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and make a peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews which he would break halfway into the seven years and usher in Armageddon, yada yada yada (sound familiar?).

Today, everyone trusts papist errors instead of Protestant truth 😕

 

[SophieT]

This is a flat out falsehood. Scholars are not sure what this phrase means. Some believe it to have a NEGATIVE connotation. That the translation should be men began to PROFANE the name of the Lord. But no one is certain. Since God gave them 120 yrs since that point to repent, it seems likely it means PROFANE.

I also have wondered what that phrase meant exactly...'they began to call upon the name of the Lord' and posed it in another forum some years back. Several people responded and every one of them understood it to have a negative connotation. Checking other sources, they seem to agree with that although as you say, it isn't 100%.

I get tired of the manipulations of scripture people use to 'prove' what they think it should say when the script reads pretty plain to begin with.

 

[SophieT]

Fallen Angel's (Devils) dont maintain tangible, physical bodies, they possess humans, and animals

FYI, there is no consensus that demons are fallen angels.

Who are the angels in chains? Seems those might be the ones that left their first estate. There are several theories as to what the demons actually are. You may also want to know that there is one devil...satan...and many demons.

 

[SophieT]

The now deceased Chuck Missler was a wack, Nephilim, UFO's, on and on

He was so bad, many Calvary Chapels cut him loose, and he was their prophecy Guru for many years

But this is not actually about Chuck. It is about what the Bible is stating.

 

[PennEd]

FYI, there is no consensus that demons are fallen angels.

Who are the angels in chains? Seems those might be the ones that left their first estate. There are several theories as to what the demons actually are. You may also want to know that there is one devil...satan...and many demons.

Although I believe it to be speculative, but I’m of the thought that demons are spirits of the Nephilim. There is a resurrection of the living (children of God) and the dead (unsaved humans to be judged). But the demons are just going to be thrown into the abyss.

There is a passage in Isaiah that some take to support this:
7496. rapha ►

Strong's Concordance

rapha: shades, ghosts​

Original Word: רָפָא
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: rapha
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-faw')
Definition: shades, ghosts
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from raphah
Definition
shades, ghosts
NASB Translation
dead (3), departed spirits (4), spirits of the dead (1).

Rapha is translated “dead” here. The Raphaim are generally regarded as synonymous with the Nephilim.


Isaiah 26:14
New King James Version


14 They are dead, they will not live;
They are deceased, they will not rise.
Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,
And made all their memory to (A)perish.
​

 

[Scribe]

I also have wondered what that phrase meant exactly...'they began to call upon the name of the Lord' and posed it in another forum some years back. Several people responded and every one of them understood it to have a negative connotation. Checking other sources, they seem to agree with that although as you say, it isn't 100%.

I get tired of the manipulations of scripture people use to 'prove' what they think it should say when the script reads pretty plain to begin with.

I am not sure which you are thinking are trying to manipulate, those who say it means that they begin to call upon the name of the Lord, or those that say it means profane the name of the Lord.

All the best Biblical Textual Experts and Hebrew Scholars (entire committees of scholars who are behind these English translations) The best available in the world, have not concluded that it has negative connotations.

If there was sufficient evidence that it should be negative it would have been decided as such by all of these committees. I have a strong feeling that when I take three years of Hebrew and by then will be able to barely read the original manuscripts for myself I will probably agree with all the following committees behind these translations:

Only one out of these 27 translations thought that profane should be used.

Do I really think that is the correct one over the other 26 (and this is not the full list)? No I do not. I rely on experts for now. Later maybe I can explain why they were right but I doubt I will discover at that time that they were wrong. Very highly unlikely. Don't you think?

I mean if I were to pick the one out of the 27 to prove that it meant (profane the name of the Lord) that would reek of dishonest manipulation to find one that agrees with what I want it to say. I agree with that.

New International Version
Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD.

New Living Translation
When Seth grew up, he had a son and named him Enosh. At that time people first began to worship the LORD by name.

English Standard Version
To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Berean Study Bible
And to Seth also a son was born, and he called him Enosh. At that time men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

King James Bible
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

New King James Version
And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.

New American Standard Bible
To Seth also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

NASB 1995
To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

NASB 1977
And to Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Amplified Bible
To Seth, also, a son was born, whom he named Enosh (mortal man, mankind). At that [same] time men began to call on the name of the LORD [in worship through prayer, praise, and thanksgiving].

Christian Standard Bible
A son was born to Seth also, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
A son was born to Seth also, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of Yahweh.

American Standard Version
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh. Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And Seth had a son, and he called his name Enos: he hoped to call on the name of the Lord God.

Contemporary English Version
Later, Seth had a son and named him Enosh. About this time people started worshiping the LORD.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But to Seth also was born a son, whom he called Enos; this man began to call upon the name of the Lord.

English Revised Version
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Good News Translation
Seth had a son whom he named Enosh. It was then that people began using the LORD's holy name in worship.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
A son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to worship the LORD.

International Standard Version
Seth also fathered a son, whom he named Enosh. At that time, profaning the name of the LORD began.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh; then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Literal Standard Version
And to Seth, to him also a son has been born, and he calls his name Enos; then a beginning was made of preaching in the Name of YHWH.

NET Bible
And a son was also born to Seth, whom he named Enosh. At that time people began to worship the LORD.

New Heart English Bible
And a son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. This one began to call on the LORD's name.

World English Bible
There was also born a son to Seth, and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on Yahweh's name.

Young's Literal Translation
And to Seth, to him also a son hath been born, and he calleth his name Enos; then a beginning was made of preaching in the name of Jehovah.

 

[Hevosmies]

Yes, Protestant Historicism. Because it had such power to cause a major exodus of catholic faithful from catholicism to Protestantism, the papacy got their heads together and came up with a solution: “FIND AN ALTERNATIVE INTERPRETATION OF END TIMES PROPHECY WHICH WILL EXONERATE THE PAPACY”.

The Jesuit Order was commissioned to come up with such interpretations, and after some time two new interpretations emerged. The first one was by Jesuit Alcazar in which he said the antichrist arose in the first century and all the prophecies had already been fulfilled.

However, the other interpretation was by Jesuit Ribera who said that the antichrist was one man who would come at the end of time during the last seven years of tribulation and would sit in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and make a peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews which he would break halfway into the seven years and usher in Armageddon, yada yada yada (sound familiar?).

Today, everyone trusts papist errors instead of Protestant truth 😕

Do you believe in the MILLENIUM? Premillennialism?