Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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The most wicked generation will necessitate the end of the world. The generations alive today are the most wicked in history, so one can only imagine if these generations are so evil just how evil that generation will be. Even the generations of wicked Sodom will rise up in judgement against these wicked generations.
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It appears your not living in reality, there are many persons that believe homosexuals should be allowed to take the position of Bishop/Pastor
Perhaps your living in the dark concerning the "Many" denominations that allow this presently
Wikipedia: LGBT clergy in Christianity
The ordination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and/or transgender (LGBT) clergy who are open about their sexuality (or gender identity if transgender), are sexually active if lesbian, gay, or bisexual, or are in committed same-sex relationships is a debated practice within some contemporary Christian Church communities.
While most Christian churches ban the ordination of sexually active LGB clergy because they view homosexuality as incompatible with biblical doctrine and do not allow those identifying as transgender to be ordained for the same reason,[1] a growing number of churches are allowing openly LGBT clergy to serve. The Metropolitan Community Church, a predominantly LGBT church, has ordained LGBT candidates for ministry since its founding in 1968. In 1972, the United Church of Christ became the first mainline Protestant denomination in the United States to ordain an openly gay clergy person. Other churches are the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (since 2010) and the Presbyterian Church (USA) (since 2012). The Episcopal Church in the United States and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) have also allowed ordination of openly gay and lesbian candidates for ministry for some years. Internationally, churches that have ordained openly lesbian or gay clergy include the Church of Scotland, the Church of England, the Church in Wales, the Church of Sweden, the Church of Norway, the Church of Denmark, the Church of Iceland, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, the Evangelical Church in Germany, the Methodist Church in Britain, the Protestant Church in the Netherlands, the United Protestant Church in Belgium, the Swiss Reformed Church, the United Protestant Church of France, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada, Anglican Church in Canada, the Old Catholic Church, the Czechoslovak Hussite Church and the United Church of Christ in Japan.[2]
The issue of ordination has caused particular controversy in the worldwide Anglican communion, following the election of the Bishop of New Hampshire Gene Robinson in the US Episcopal Church.
Perhaps your living in the dark concerning the "Many" denominations that allow this presently
Wikipedia: LGBT clergy in Christianity
The ordination of lesbian, gay, bisexual and/or transgender (LGBT) clergy who are open about their sexuality (or gender identity if transgender), are sexually active if lesbian, gay, or bisexual, or are in committed same-sex relationships is a debated practice within some contemporary Christian Church communities.
While most Christian churches ban the ordination of sexually active LGB clergy because they view homosexuality as incompatible with biblical doctrine and do not allow those identifying as transgender to be ordained for the same reason,[1] a growing number of churches are allowing openly LGBT clergy to serve. The Metropolitan Community Church, a predominantly LGBT church, has ordained LGBT candidates for ministry since its founding in 1968. In 1972, the United Church of Christ became the first mainline Protestant denomination in the United States to ordain an openly gay clergy person. Other churches are the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (since 2010) and the Presbyterian Church (USA) (since 2012). The Episcopal Church in the United States and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) have also allowed ordination of openly gay and lesbian candidates for ministry for some years. Internationally, churches that have ordained openly lesbian or gay clergy include the Church of Scotland, the Church of England, the Church in Wales, the Church of Sweden, the Church of Norway, the Church of Denmark, the Church of Iceland, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, the Evangelical Church in Germany, the Methodist Church in Britain, the Protestant Church in the Netherlands, the United Protestant Church in Belgium, the Swiss Reformed Church, the United Protestant Church of France, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada, Anglican Church in Canada, the Old Catholic Church, the Czechoslovak Hussite Church and the United Church of Christ in Japan.[2]
The issue of ordination has caused particular controversy in the worldwide Anglican communion, following the election of the Bishop of New Hampshire Gene Robinson in the US Episcopal Church.
God condemns homosexuality, I stand with the truth of Gods words below
A practicing homosexual cant be a in any capacity of leadership in the church, same applies to all those "unrepentant", continuing in sins of the flesh.
2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
A practicing homosexual cant be a in any capacity of leadership in the church, same applies to all those "unrepentant", continuing in sins of the flesh.
2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Roman's 1:26-32KJV
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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If you insist on this hermeneutic then you must insist that if his wife dies he has to resign.
For your argument is that..
1) the text says "husband of one wife" therefore he must be married.
And if his wife dies he is no longer married (as we know from the scriptures on marriage) and therefore he is no longer "the husband of one wife" and no longer qualifies to be a pastor.
And 2) you present as your argument that there are examples to the flock that the pastor is living while being married and these responsibilities contribute to his continuing qualifications of being a good leader. Therefore the wife having died he would no longer be living all these "marraige related duties" that you are saying is the reason for the rule that a pastor must be married. Therefore if his wife dies you would have him resign and replace with a pastor who is still married?
For your argument is that..
1) the text says "husband of one wife" therefore he must be married.
And if his wife dies he is no longer married (as we know from the scriptures on marriage) and therefore he is no longer "the husband of one wife" and no longer qualifies to be a pastor.
And 2) you present as your argument that there are examples to the flock that the pastor is living while being married and these responsibilities contribute to his continuing qualifications of being a good leader. Therefore the wife having died he would no longer be living all these "marraige related duties" that you are saying is the reason for the rule that a pastor must be married. Therefore if his wife dies you would have him resign and replace with a pastor who is still married?
Charles Stanley would be a prime example, he separated in 1992 and was divorced in 2000, and at that time should have resigned, as pastor of the First Baptist Church in Atlanta Georgia, as he retired (Sep 2020) as Senior Pastor.
Wikipedia: Charles Stanley
Charles Frazier Stanley (born September 25, 1932) is Pastor Emeritus[1][2] of First Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, having been senior pastor for 51 years.[
Spouse: Anna Johnson Stanley
(m. 1955; div. 2000)
1 Timothy 3:2-5KJV
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Wikipedia: Charles Stanley
Charles Frazier Stanley (born September 25, 1932) is Pastor Emeritus[1][2] of First Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia, having been senior pastor for 51 years.[
Spouse: Anna Johnson Stanley
(m. 1955; div. 2000)
1 Timothy 3:2-5KJV
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Have you considered that Jesus Christ himself is the shepherd of all, and the church is his body? Pastors are not the head of the church; they're all one as members in the body of Christ. Hence, you could call a female shepherd of her flock minister:
Notice here (Exodus 2:16) that the seven daughters of their father Jethro tend to his flock. It's what the churches are supposed to do.
Notice here (Exodus 2:16) that the seven daughters of their father Jethro tend to his flock. It's what the churches are supposed to do.
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I have heard him on the radio here and there through the years. I never thought anything negative about what I have heard. I don't really know anything about the man, his personal life or his marriages and not really interested in finding out. He is not relative to my life.
If you want to know what my stand is on whether a man who has had a divorce should be a pastor I believe that the scriptures teach that if the spouse committed sexual sin then that man is free to divorce and remarry and this does not disqualify him to pastor. Or if the unbelieving spouse leaves the man he may remarry and is still qualified to pastor. This in accordance with 1 Cor 7.
I am in agreement with my denomination (Assemblies of God) stand on this subject as can be read from this link below:
https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Divorce-and-Remarriage
If you want to know what my stand is on whether a man who has had a divorce should be a pastor I believe that the scriptures teach that if the spouse committed sexual sin then that man is free to divorce and remarry and this does not disqualify him to pastor. Or if the unbelieving spouse leaves the man he may remarry and is still qualified to pastor. This in accordance with 1 Cor 7.
I am in agreement with my denomination (Assemblies of God) stand on this subject as can be read from this link below:
https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Divorce-and-Remarriage
We Will Strongly Disagree
It's my opinion that the active sin of adultery is silenced in churches, because of favorable $Donations$ from those active in this sin, pulpits are silent $$$
I'm fully aware of the 21st century interpretation of 1 Cor 7, the scripture says nothing about sexual sin, and if a unbelieving spouse leaves, God has called the believer to peace, "Not Remarriage"
Yes the scripture does allow for divorce concerning fornication, sexual relations outside of a lawful marriage, at no place does scripture allow for re-marriage, while the spouse lives, no place.
As clearly seen below, if a woman is married to another man while her husband lives, she is an adultress
Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Cant be any more simple, plain and clear, if a man or woman divorces, and marries another, they are adulterers, simple!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10-15KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
It's my opinion that the active sin of adultery is silenced in churches, because of favorable $Donations$ from those active in this sin, pulpits are silent $$$
I'm fully aware of the 21st century interpretation of 1 Cor 7, the scripture says nothing about sexual sin, and if a unbelieving spouse leaves, God has called the believer to peace, "Not Remarriage"
Yes the scripture does allow for divorce concerning fornication, sexual relations outside of a lawful marriage, at no place does scripture allow for re-marriage, while the spouse lives, no place.
As clearly seen below, if a woman is married to another man while her husband lives, she is an adultress
Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Cant be any more simple, plain and clear, if a man or woman divorces, and marries another, they are adulterers, simple!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10-15KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
S
We Will Strongly Disagree
It's my opinion that the active sin of adultery is silenced in churches, because of favorable $Donations$ from those active in this sin, pulpits are silent $$$
I'm fully aware of the 21st century interpretation of 1 Cor 7, the scripture says nothing about sexual sin, and if a unbelieving spouse leaves, God has called the believer to peace, "Not Remarriage"
Yes the scripture does allow for divorce concerning fornication, sexual relations outside of a lawful marriage, at no place does scripture allow for re-marriage, while the spouse lives, no place.
As clearly seen below, if a woman is married to another man while her husband lives, she is an adultress
Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Cant be any more simple, plain and clear, if a man or woman divorces, and marries another, they are adulterers, simple!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10-15KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
It's my opinion that the active sin of adultery is silenced in churches, because of favorable $Donations$ from those active in this sin, pulpits are silent $$$
I'm fully aware of the 21st century interpretation of 1 Cor 7, the scripture says nothing about sexual sin, and if a unbelieving spouse leaves, God has called the believer to peace, "Not Remarriage"
Yes the scripture does allow for divorce concerning fornication, sexual relations outside of a lawful marriage, at no place does scripture allow for re-marriage, while the spouse lives, no place.
As clearly seen below, if a woman is married to another man while her husband lives, she is an adultress
Romans 7:1-3KJV
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Cant be any more simple, plain and clear, if a man or woman divorces, and marries another, they are adulterers, simple!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10-15KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
That is an interpretation that I believe is found in the original text and not a modern interpretation.
I have always understood it since the first day I read it. It's not hard.
Your view that "they are not under bondage in such cases" means that they are in bondage to the marriage covenant and not free to remarry is illogical and contradicts his plain statement and must be rejected.
If he is talking about staying married to an unbelieving spouse if they are pleased to dwell with them and then states that if they depart then they are no longer in bondage in such cases then they are no longer in bondage to that marriage. If you can offer another explanation as to what they are no longer in bondage to that makes sense I will consider your reasoning.
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Then you state Mark 10:11-12 below, contradicts your interpretation of "Bondage" being married.
Before a person is allowed to re-marry in the USA, and the vast majority of the western world, you must (Divorce) or (Put Away) the Husband/Wife prior to re-marriage, Mark 10:11-12 directly opposes your interpretation
Scripture is very clear, your interpretation of "Bondage" dosent allow for re-marriage, unless your a major contributor to the offering plate $$$
In Love!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Before a person is allowed to re-marry in the USA, and the vast majority of the western world, you must (Divorce) or (Put Away) the Husband/Wife prior to re-marriage, Mark 10:11-12 directly opposes your interpretation
Scripture is very clear, your interpretation of "Bondage" dosent allow for re-marriage, unless your a major contributor to the offering plate $$$
In Love!
Mark 10:11-12KJV
11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
