Would God Have us Solve Confusion of baptisms?

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The Blessed Virgin Mary, is a type of Mother Eve. GOD does not violate our right of free will. What this revealed was that Mother Eve willingly gave her womb for the Procreation of the Mankind race.
Yeah, after hiding for her life knowingly she had [just] directly sinned against God, that as soon as God boots her and Adam from the Garden, He orders them to procreate. I hardly doubt filling every inch of the world with people from her own womb was the thing she was contemplating in her obedience.
 
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Yeah, after hiding for her life knowingly she had [just] directly sinned against God, that as soon as God boots her and Adam from the Garden, He orders them to procreate. I hardly doubt filling every inch of the world with people from her own womb was the thing she was contemplating in her obedience.
You are in error. I bet you probably believe that the serpent' was telling the truth, and God is any enemy of Man. I bet you also believe that it was a literal talking snake... I will say this, there is no one GOD loves more than HIS son Adam.

There is a reason why those who died in the wilderness from snake bites, why their deaths were well deserved. Truly, every man reaps what he has down.
 
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You are in error. I bet you probably believe that the serpent' was telling the truth, and God is any enemy of Man. I bet you also believe that it was a literal talking snake... I will say this, there is no one GOD loves more than HIS son Adam.

There is a reason why those who died in the wilderness from snake bites, why their deaths were well deserved. Truly, every man reaps what he has down.
Odd, how you just completely reversed the actions to everyone in the Garden Scene. It's like your beliefs are close but still dyslexic enough to know it isn't 100% correct.

God is my Everything, He is not just [my] Father and Creator, but He is my Best Friend!
 
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Odd, how you just completely reversed the actions to everyone in the Garden Scene. It's like your beliefs are close but still dyslexic enough to know it isn't 100% correct.

God is my Everything, He is not just [my] Father and Creator, but He is my Best Friend!
I haven't reversed anything. So do you mean to tell me you believe that it was a literal talking snake?
 

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I haven't reversed anything. So do you mean to tell me you believe that it was a literal talking snake?
Is that not what the Bible reveals? A literal talking serpent, since Satan had taken possession of this creature? Indeed Satan is called that Great Dragon (Rev 12), so for all we know the serpent in Eden was a talking dragon, and probably a beautiful creature. And demons who took possession of humans spoke through their mouths, as we see in Scripture.
 
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Is that not what the Bible reveals? A literal talking serpent, since Satan had taken possession of this creature? Indeed Satan is called that Great Dragon (Rev 12), so for all we know the serpent in Eden was a talking dragon, and probably a beautiful creature. And demons who took possession of humans spoke through their mouths, as we see in Scripture.
The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is a Seraph. This is why there was Jezebel and Ahab, who killed Naboth and stole his vineyard, pointing to the events of the Garden of Eden. The Seraph is the female version of the Cherub. That doesn't mean that the Cherubim and Seraphim can reproduce. The reason why in the book of Revelation it was written: That old Serpent, was because it was pointing to that Seraph, that befriended Mother Eve, and convinced her to eat a certain fruit from a certain tree that affected both her, and Father Adam negatively.
 
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The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is a Seraph. This is why there was Jezebel and Ahab, who killed Naboth and stole his vineyard, pointing to the events of the Garden of Eden. The Seraph is the female version of the Cherub. That doesn't mean that the Cherubim and Seraphim can reproduce. The reason why in the book of Revelation it was written: That old Serpent, was because it was pointing to that Seraph, that befriended Mother Eve, and convinced her to eat a certain fruit from a certain tree that affected both her, and Father Adam negatively.
 

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The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is a Seraph.
The Seraphim and Cherubim are holy angels, not fallen angels like Satan (also a spirit being). So you are merely fantasizing inaccurately. (The words Seraphim and Cherubim are already plural in Hebrew and do not need an "s" at the end.)
 
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The Seraphim and Cherubim are holy angels, not fallen angels like Satan (also a spirit being). So you are merely fantasizing inaccurately. (The words Seraphim and Cherubim are already plural in Hebrew and do not need an "s" at the end.)
truly, the church is in her infancy state; for she doesn't even know what the Cherubim and Seraphim are...

The Cherubim and Seraphim are NOT angels, they are a different race entirely with their own anatomy. Lucifer is not an angel, he is a tare cherub.

The Church was told to seek the kingdom, but all she did was seek paul...
Truly, Darkness covers the earth, and gross darkness the people.

I mean the lack of knowledge about Heaven, about mankind, about the Cherubim and Seraphim, about the Arch Angels and other Angels, is why you were fine with scientists claiming that man is a product of evolution... A HEIGHT OF LUKEWARMNESS.
 

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The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is a Seraph. This is why there was Jezebel and Ahab, who killed Naboth and stole his vineyard, pointing to the events of the Garden of Eden. The Seraph is the female version of the Cherub. That doesn't mean that the Cherubim and Seraphim can reproduce. The reason why in the book of Revelation it was written: That old Serpent, was because it was pointing to that Seraph, that befriended Mother Eve, and convinced her to eat a certain fruit from a certain tree that affected both her, and Father Adam negatively.
The Hebrew word is נָחָשׁ‎ nāḥāš. שָׂרָף is another word in Hebrew, though it could be a winged serpent-like being.
 
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The Hebrew word is נָחָשׁ‎ nāḥāš. שָׂרָף is another word in Hebrew, though it could be a winged serpent-like being.
The seraph was called a serpent because that is how she behaved. Not that the serpent was a talking snake. Yes, Cherubim and Seraphim have 6 wings. And they also have many eyes. Eden spoken of Genesis, is actually a celestial planet. Saul Paul writings called it the third heaven. That is where father Adam and Mother Eve were before the fall with their celestial immortal bodies; the body coupled in the image and after the likeness of GOD.
 

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The seraph was called a serpent because that is how she behaved.
What is this comment based on? How do you claim to know this?

Eden spoken of Genesis, is actually a celestial planet. Saul Paul writings called it the third heaven.
Why would you believe that? What is your idea based on? Adam was made from the dust of the earth?
 
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What is this comment based on? How do you claim to know this?



Why would you believe that? What is your idea based on? Adam was made from the dust of the earth?
What is this comment based on? How do you claim to know this?

It means that the Seraph way of doing things was serpentine. She was called the most subtil of the beasts of the field.

Why would you believe that? What is your idea based on? Adam was made from the dust of the earth?

Mankind, Adam, is a Spirit Being. Mother Eve is a Spirit Being. There is a reason for the term "man-kind". All of the children of the kingdom are Spirit Beings. Therefore, Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not their physical bodies.We need to go Into the dustbin of history, for Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not dust (beings). But due to the fact that the Law could not get to the hieght of the Prophet, Mankind has been calling their Principal Ancestors, dust beings. It is not so. If there is the resurrection for Mankind, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve? If there is forgiveness, if there is redemption, if GOD does not forsake any, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve?

Moses the Law, was in the similtitude of the body. Elijah the Prophet is in the similtude of the Spirit. The Spirit is the head of the body.
Moses, in defining the body;the mortal body; was not able to get to the Spirit point of Genesis. His story claimed that the serpent told Mother Eve the truth, and portrayed GOD as an enemy of Mankind. Is it any wonder, that at a time in the wilderness, Moses was commanded to make a brass serpent coiled around a pole, and everyone bitten by snakes were to look at it for their healing. Why is this significant? Because the Brazen serpent that Moses made, is the very emblem of the medical scientists in the world today. And the fact that it was brass, was pointing to grecia, which was symbolised as Brass.

Why did this happen? Because the bite that Man was bitten by is the bite of the serpent, and the cause of that bite, the venom of that serpent is mortality which is the fallen state. For moses lifted up the Serpent, in his Genesis story, he made the serpent look like the one that was telling the truth. Thus it was given to the people, that believed his Genesis story, to seek their healing from medical doctors, to seek their healing from the one they believed told them the truth. They did not know or seek to know who their Principal ancestors are, and the truth of that story. If they discovered the true genesis story, that would have known that only GOD can heal them from their mortality case.

I explained this to show that the story that Moses told is not exactly accuarate. There is alot that he was not able to get to, when it comes to deciphering and assimilating what GOD was telling Moses. That is why he literalised it, because he couldn't get to the Spirit point of that story.

The Raw Materials that GOD used to couple the body for Father Adam, are 12 Most Precious Stones, which HE baptized the earth into by placing them strategically inside the earth before the fall. Then HE took those 12 Most Precious stones out and coupled the body of Father Adam with them. This is why Israel has 12 tribes. If you read the book of Revelation, you will also see that John the Beloved wrote of 12 precious stones.

Rev 19:
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

But Moses was not able to bring out this height of Revelation. So he said: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The breath of life there, is also not accurate. The Breath of life, is what GOD did for the Cherubim and the Seraphim and the Angels that multiplied by the WORD of Command. But Man, was immersed into the physical body, Spirit Being, programmed in the soul, and immersed into the physical body.

So the body that Father Adam had, which GOD took a rib from, is the Celestial body. And the reason why it was the Rib that was taken to couple the body for Mother Eve, is because that is where the GENE of Man is in HIS celestial body. The Gene code of all 12 Most Precious stones is in the RIB. Just as in the mortal state, you go to where DNA is, the Celestial body doesn't have that. Where will you go to, to determine the Gene of Man? It is the Rib. And in the earth today there is what is called: Ribonucleic acid, which is pointing to RNA...

GOD is all knowing. GOD has HIS Logos which is the unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation, and the fall of Man did not take HIM unnawares. For HE is the GOD that planted the tree, that cooked the fruit that caused the fall. GOD does not operate by trial and error. The GOD that is all knowing said on the day that HE coupled the body for Man, that it was very good. There is more to what Moses did not explain well, but i think this has answered your question.
 

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The word baptism. Yep it is washing with water.
Amen it never changed from John to the apostles to believers today . The term grace is used today to exclude all
Of the truth that we’re supposed to believe and do with confidence knowing it means salvation .

faith works that way Jesus said “ believe the gospel and get baptized “ so believers believe that and do it like all the examples we have in scripture of the church

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:36-39, 41‬ ‭

that’s how it’s meant to work but it won’t unless it’s believed first we’re supposed to hear the gospel and believe what we hear and receive the hilt spirit , when we hear the gospel and believe we clearly learn about baptism for remission of sins and are meant to believe and do that because Gods word is always going to be true

See where Peter says the promise is to as many as God shall call ?

Gentiles are included in that by baptism

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭

if we are believers thkngs like that would Make us desire baptism and firmly endorse it . But if we instead explain why it isn’t true it never can advance anywhere past that point.

faith needs us to have a willingness to believe but often we our think what’s clearly there we should hear about baptism believe and donut and be saved according to christs word so we aren’t damned by it in the end

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it doesn’t say believes not and is not baptized , because of someone doesn’t believe the gospel they won’t get baptized in Jesus name to
Any meaningful point if they do believe what God said in the gospel they will get baptized with joy and tell
Everyone else what it’s about

faith is simple but not if we won’t believe the one God sent
 
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What is this comment based on? How do you claim to know this?

It means that the Seraph way of doing things was serpentine. She was called the most subtil of the beasts of the field.

Why would you believe that? What is your idea based on? Adam was made from the dust of the earth?

Mankind, Adam, is a Spirit Being. Mother Eve is a Spirit Being. There is a reason for the term "man-kind". All of the children of the kingdom are Spirit Beings. Therefore, Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not their physical bodies.We need to go Into the dustbin of history, for Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not dust (beings). But due to the fact that the Law could not get to the hieght of the Prophet, Mankind has been calling their Principal Ancestors, dust beings. It is not so. If there is the resurrection for Mankind, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve? If there is forgiveness, if there is redemption, if GOD does not forsake any, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve?

Moses the Law, was in the similtitude of the body. Elijah the Prophet is in the similtude of the Spirit. The Spirit is the head of the body.
Moses, in defining the body;the mortal body; was not able to get to the Spirit point of Genesis. His story claimed that the serpent told Mother Eve the truth, and portrayed GOD as an enemy of Mankind. Is it any wonder, that at a time in the wilderness, Moses was commanded to make a brass serpent coiled around a pole, and everyone bitten by snakes were to look at it for their healing. Why is this significant? Because the Brazen serpent that Moses made, is the very emblem of the medical scientists in the world today. And the fact that it was brass, was pointing to grecia, which was symbolised as Brass.

Why did this happen? Because the bite that Man was bitten by is the bite of the serpent, and the cause of that bite, the venom of that serpent is mortality which is the fallen state. For moses lifted up the Serpent, in his Genesis story, he made the serpent look like the one that was telling the truth. Thus it was given to the people, that believed his Genesis story, to seek their healing from medical doctors, to seek their healing from the one they believed told them the truth. They did not know or seek to know who their Principal ancestors are, and the truth of that story. If they discovered the true genesis story, that would have known that only GOD can heal them from their mortality case.

I explained this to show that the story that Moses told is not exactly accuarate. There is alot that he was not able to get to, when it comes to deciphering and assimilating what GOD was telling Moses. That is why he literalised it, because he couldn't get to the Spirit point of that story.

The Raw Materials that GOD used to couple the body for Father Adam, are 12 Most Precious Stones, which HE baptized the earth into by placing them strategically inside the earth before the fall. Then HE took those 12 Most Precious stones out and coupled the body of Father Adam with them. This is why Israel has 12 tribes. If you read the book of Revelation, you will also see that John the Beloved wrote of 12 precious stones.

Rev 19:
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

But Moses was not able to bring out this height of Revelation. So he said: 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The breath of life there, is also not accurate. The Breath of life, is what GOD did for the Cherubim and the Seraphim and the Angels that multiplied by the WORD of Command. But Man, was immersed into the physical body, Spirit Being, programmed in the soul, and immersed into the physical body.

So the body that Father Adam had, which GOD took a rib from, is the Celestial body. And the reason why it was the Rib that was taken to couple the body for Mother Eve, is because that is where the GENE of Man is in HIS celestial body. The Gene code of all 12 Most Precious stones is in the RIB. Just as in the mortal state, you go to where DNA is, the Celestial body doesn't have that. Where will you go to, to determine the Gene of Man? It is the Rib. And in the earth today there is what is called: Ribonucleic acid, which is pointing to RNA...

GOD is all knowing. GOD has HIS Logos which is the unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation, and the fall of Man did not take HIM unnawares. For HE is the GOD that planted the tree, that cooked the fruit that caused the fall. GOD does not operate by trial and error. The GOD that is all knowing said on the day that HE coupled the body for Man, that it was very good. There is more to what Moses did not explain well, but i think this has answered your question.
This is like a train wreck. It is so disturbing, you want to look away but you can't! :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

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What is this comment based on? How do you claim to know this?

It means that the Seraph way of doing things was serpentine. She was called the most subtil of the beasts of the field.
That is not what the Bible says. The nahas was more subtle than all the beasts of the field. Saraphim were seen in a heavenly revelation.

Why would you believe that? What is your idea based on? Adam was made from the dust of the earth?

Mankind, Adam, is a Spirit Being. Mother Eve is a Spirit Being. There is a reason for the term "man-kind". All of the children of the kingdom are Spirit Beings. Therefore, Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not their physical bodies.We need to go Into the dustbin of history, for Father Adam, and Mother Eve are not dust (beings).
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Paul wrote that the first man was of the earth. Genesis says that God made man of the dust of the earth and breathed in him the breath of life.

But due to the fact that the Law could not get to the hieght of the Prophet, Mankind has been calling their Principal Ancestors, dust beings. It is not so. If there is the resurrection for Mankind, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve? If there is forgiveness, if there is redemption, if GOD does not forsake any, then what of Father Adam, and Mother Eve?
God knows if Adam and Eve were forgiven. Their state in the judgment will be determined by the Lord. But what does this have to do with your rejecting the teaching of the Bible about Adam being made from the dust of the earth?
Moses the Law, was in the similtitude of the body. Elijah the Prophet is in the similtude of the Spirit. The Spirit is the head of the body.
Moses, in defining the body;the mortal body; was not able to get to the Spirit point of Genesis. His story claimed that the serpent told Mother Eve the truth, and portrayed GOD as an enemy of Mankind. Is it any wonder, that at a time in the wilderness, Moses was commanded to make a brass serpent coiled around a pole, and everyone bitten by snakes were to look at it for their healing. Why is this significant? Because the Brazen serpent that Moses made, is the very emblem of the medical scientists in the world today. And the fact that it was brass, was pointing to grecia, which was symbolised as Brass.

Why did this happen? Because the bite that Man was bitten by is the bite of the serpent, and the cause of that bite, the venom of that serpent is mortality which is the fallen state. For moses lifted up the Serpent, in his Genesis story, he made the serpent look like the one that was telling the truth. Thus it was given to the people, that believed his Genesis story, to seek their healing from medical doctors, to seek their healing from the one they believed told them the truth. They did not know or seek to know who their Principal ancestors are, and the truth of that story. If they discovered the true genesis story, that would have known that only GOD can heal them from their mortality case.

I explained this to show that the story that Moses told is not exactly accuarate. There is alot that he was not able to get to, when it comes to deciphering and assimilating what GOD was telling Moses. That is why he literalised it, because he couldn't get to the Spirit point of that story.
Or maybe you are puffed up in your own foolish imagination. That seems a much more likely scenario. Do you think if you imagine something, it must be true? Do you ever use any 'substances' to help you come up with these ideas?
 

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The Cherubim and Seraphim are NOT angels, they are a different race entirely with their own anatomy. Lucifer is not an angel, he is a tare cherub.
You are introducing from strange winds of doctrine, having just arrived here. I trust others will see through your confusion and stick to Bible truth.
 

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Bible discussion please, It is meant to be about Baptism....
Not the science of angels, or different races.....

“Jesus … was baptized by John in the Jordan. And immediately, coming up from the water ...” (Mark 1:9, 10).

Jesus was baptized by immersion. Notice that after the ordinance, He came “up from the water.” Jesus was baptized “in the Jordan,” not on the bank, as many believe. John the Baptist always found a place to baptize where “there was much water” (John 3:23), so it would be deep enough.
The Bible says we are called to follow Jesus’ example (1 Peter 2:21).
 
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The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is a Seraph. This is why there was Jezebel and Ahab, who killed Naboth and stole his vineyard, pointing to the events of the Garden of Eden. The Seraph is the female version of the Cherub. That doesn't mean that the Cherubim and Seraphim can reproduce. The reason why in the book of Revelation it was written: That old Serpent, was because it was pointing to that Seraph, that befriended Mother Eve, and convinced her to eat a certain fruit from a certain tree that affected both her, and Father Adam negatively.
You think there are [female] angels?