Why does God allow suffering?

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Edify

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For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.
See the bolded statement? This is incorrect. Acknowledgement of what Christ did doesn't save us. We must repent of our sins, accept Christ as Savior & Lord, & prove this commitment by bring forth fruits of repentance. Acknowledging Christ's work on the cross alone is nothing but good intentions, & good intentions has never done anything but send souls to Hell.
 

Edify

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lulz, oh, God wanted us in this fallen state ::rolls eyes::
I'm pretty sure God could come up with another way for us to procreate than joining this awful place.
Such statements say you don't either understand God's plan for man, or you just don't like it.

If you want to live with Christ forever, I suggest you understand & accept God's plan. Or you can continue as you are & face the judgment of a rebel.
 
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::sigh::
Right, someone is able to acknowledge what Jesus did and not believe in Him at the same time. You are ridiculous. If you know who Jesus is the rest naturally goes with it.

So let me get this straight, you siding the dude that said God wanted us to be fallen? Did you read any of this?
 

posthuman

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Guess so, okay here:

Why would He say: "Who told you that you are naked?".

Why would He wait almost until Abraham was going to sacrifice his son to stop him?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Knowing the outcome and knowing every step of the way are two different things.
when God asks a question it is for our benefit, not because He is ignorant.

we're the stupid ones. He's God.
 

posthuman

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Has it occurred to anyone that maybe knowing every detail can be taxing or makes this pointless for God?
no, it has not occurred to me that God is weak or incapable.
i try not to blaspheme.

do you need to see scripture saying that God has all power and there is nothing impossible with Him? :unsure:
 

posthuman

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Right, someone is able to acknowledge what Jesus did and not believe in Him at the same time. You are ridiculous. If you know who Jesus is the rest naturally goes with it.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him,
but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
(Romans 1:21 niv)
 
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Since many of us in the Body of Christ tend to be concerned about health issues, I will use that as an example.

To be precise, our bodies will be constantly breaking down because we are still waiting, with hope, for the redemption of our current bodies. Once our bodies are redeemed at the end, we will be "directly connected to God", as you have said.
But itis written:

Behold I shew you a mystery, blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD, nor corruption inherit incorruption.

You do realize that the mortal state is corrupted correct?
 
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But itis written:

Behold I shew you a mystery, blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD, nor corruption inherit incorruption.

You do realize that the mortal state is corrupted correct?
Yes, our current mortal body is still unredeemed, and hence it still bear the corruption from Adam's disobedience.

Your point is?
 
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Yes, our current mortal body is still unredeemed, and hence it still bear the corruption from Adam's disobedience.

Your point is?
The point is, you claim you are waiting for the new body, but you can't inherit it. You are just waiting for it to be given to you? It doesn't happen that way, and that is why paul is saying. Even Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed it when HE asked the man at the wedding without is wedding garment to leave. You must put it off mortality, and put on immortality by eating Revelations into your Spirit Being. Just waiting for it to happen it is not going to happen for you. You will only realize that you will find yourself in Abrahams Bosom waiting for the resurrection.
 
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The point is, you claim you are waiting for the new body, but you can't inherit it. You are just waiting for it to be given to you? It doesn't happen that way, and that is why paul is saying. Even Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed it when HE asked the man at the wedding without is wedding garment to leave. You must put it off mortality, and put on immortality by eating Revelations into your Spirit Being. Just waiting for it to happen it is not going to happen for you. You will only realize that you will find yourself in Abrahams Bosom waiting for the resurrection.
So are you saying a Christian, after believing the gospel found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, still need to put in some work by "eating Revelations into your Spirit Being", in order to get the new body?

What do you mean by "eating Revelations into your Spirit Being" anyway? How does one do it?
 
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So are you saying a Christian, after believing the gospel found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, still need to put in some work by "eating Revelations into your Spirit Being", in order to get the new body?

What do you mean by "eating Revelations into your Spirit Being" anyway? How does one do it?
Thank you for asking. It is by meditating in Divine Eucharistic Revelations into your Spirit being. This is why Joshua, 1:8 was told to meditate in the law day and night. It is why the Psalmist loved to meditate in the WORD, that is the therapeudic method, that the GOD has given us to do. Just as HE said:

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

I am the bread of life that come down from heaven. He that eats of this bread shall not die, but live forver.

If a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death.

The messages, of the Law and the Prophets, and of Jesus His Pre-Eminence are messages that are revelations about the kingdom, revelations about who GOD is, revelations about the plan of salvation, and they are eucharisitic. What signified that was the bread and wine that symbolised the body and the blood of Christ.

Thats why HE said: Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

But this was taken lilteral, and they called it communion. However, HE personified HIMSELF as the WORD (which we learn from John 1) saying that we need to eat HIS Word, HIS messages.

James talked about faith with works, many people have believed he was talking about the Law that Moses gave, but he is not. He is talking about medititation in the Revelations. You can believe sure, but if you are not meditating in the WORD of GOD, there can be no evidence of that belief. The evidence is what the WORD of GOD does in you, how that when GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die. And that is why the fathers in Genesis lived hundreds of years.. Look at how Elijah they wrote ate Angels food, and he lived forever...
 
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Thank you for asking. It is by meditating in Divine Eucharistic Revelations into your Spirit being. This is why Joshua, 1:8 was told to meditate in the law day and night. It is why the Psalmist loved to meditate in the WORD, that is the therapeudic method, that the GOD has given us to do. Just as HE said:

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

I am the bread of life that come down from heaven. He that eats of this bread shall not die, but live forver.

If a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death.

The messages, of the Law and the Prophets, and of Jesus His Pre-Eminence are messages that are revelations about the kingdom, revelations about who GOD is, revelations about the plan of salvation, and they are eucharisitic. What signified that was the bread and wine that symbolised the body and the blood of Christ.

Thats why HE said: Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

But this was taken lilteral, and they called it communion. However, HE personified HIMSELF as the WORD (which we learn from John 1) saying that we need to eat HIS Word, HIS messages.

James talked about faith with works, many people have believed he was talking about the Law that Moses gave, but he is not. He is talking about medititation in the Revelations. You can believe sure, but if you are not meditating in the WORD of GOD, there can be no evidence of that belief. The evidence is what the WORD of GOD does in you, how that when GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die. And that is why the fathers in Genesis lived hundreds of years.. Look at how Elijah they wrote ate Angels food, and he lived forever...
I see, so you are saying that, once a Christian believes the gospel in 1 Cor 15:1-4, he must do works in order to get the new body at his death.

If he fails to do enough, when he die, he would be in Abraham's bosom instead, where I suppose you would say, he needs to go thru purgatory, like what most Roman Catholics believe?
 
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I see, so you are saying that, once a Christian believes the gospel in 1 Cor 15:1-4, he must do works in order to get the new body at his death.

If he fails to do enough, when he die, he would be in Abraham's bosom instead, where I suppose you would say, he needs to go thru purgatory, like what most Roman Catholics believe?
No, its not like cathloics believe, it is where ghosts go to, to await resurrection.

The issue is mortality. You cannot live forever with a mortal body, it is impossible. Heaven is not a ghost world, we have proof of this in Ezekiel, Isaiah, and in Revelation. Not to mention by Jesus His Pre-Eminence who spoke of the many mansions. Therefore, there must be the resurrection for every child of the kingdom that died.

Resurrection is not reward, it is a solution to the problem. Because you need to have your immortal body to enter into heaven.
 
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I see, so you are saying that, once a Christian believes the gospel in 1 Cor 15:1-4, he must do works in order to get the new body at his death.

If he fails to do enough, when he die, he would be in Abraham's bosom instead, where I suppose you would say, he needs to go thru purgatory, like what most Roman Catholics believe?
Also the new body is not something you get at your death. The new body, the immortal celestial is body is what you put on in life. That is to say, as you are gradually putting on immoratlity, you are deafeating aging, deafeating sickness and deafeating death. And there in is the saying, O death, where is thy sting? O death where is thy victory?

They were called more than conquerers, because they didn't just survive, they crushed death. They are warriors, who did not give into death, they endured to the end - meaning they continued to assimilate revelations into their Spirit Being to the point that mortality was overthrown, brought down like the walls of Jericho were brought down. As they are running their race to immortality, they are running further and further away from death.
 
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No, its not like cathloics believe, it is where ghosts go to, to await resurrection.

The issue is mortality. You cannot live forever with a mortal body, it is impossible. Heaven is not a ghost world, we have proof of this in Ezekiel, Isaiah, and in Revelation. Not to mention by Jesus His Pre-Eminence who spoke of the many mansions. Therefore, there must be the resurrection for every child of the kingdom that died.

Resurrection is not reward, it is a solution to the problem. Because you need to have your immortal body to enter into heaven.
So the moment we believe the gospel found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, you do agree we should follow Paul's advice for us in Romans 8:18-25 right?
 
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So the moment we believe the gospel found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, you do agree we should follow Paul's advice for us in Romans 8:18-25 right?
Saul paul's gospel is a gospel of resurrection.

Those waiting for the celestial immortal body are those in Abrahams Bosom today. And he is one of them. in fact, he will be waiting till the second resurrection before he puts it on. Truly, a preacher becomes what he preached. Truly a servant cannot be greater than his master. Everyone who follows him, follows him to Abraham Bosom, and are candidates of the second resurrection. Just like he claimed that to be absent from the body is to present with the LORD, he is realizing today that it was not true.

GOD is not in the land of the dead.

The Living GOD is the GOD of the living. HE resurrected HIMSELF and returned to heaven, HE is not in the ghost world. saul pauls claim, his doctrine, denies the need for the resurrection. It is a sadducee doctrine.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached the Gospel of Ever Lasting life, living without dying at all and waiting for resurrection.

I am a follower of Jesus His Pre-Eminence. It is HIS gospel that i received... There isn't any persons words i hold in higher esteem than HIS. HE is unmatched, HE is unrivaled, HE is beyond gain say, HE is perfect.

1.HE revealed to us that transfiguration in life is being saved, and that is the born again body (mark 9 - John 3)
2. HE revealed to us that we can put on immortality in life, that salvation is living without dying at all, then to go to Abrahams Bosom and wait for resurrection (Mark 8:36-38).
3. HE revealed there is the path to life (Matt 7 :13-14)
4.HE revealed the one who would come to finish the job. (Matt 17-11- John 16:13 John 14:26)
5. HE revealed that there are wheats and tares, (matt 13:24-30)
6.HE revealed the Kingdom Authority (Matt 5:17)
7. HE revealed who should put the bible together (John 6:12)
8. HE revealed what the romans did to HIS word for the fact that they crucified HIM (the WORD spoken of in John 1)
9. HE revealed that GOD has HIS son
10. HE revealed what happened in Genesis.

HE is the GOD of my salvation.

This is why belief was even a thing. It is difficult for a mortal to believe that they can live without dying at all.

But the GOD I know, the GOD I love can do all things. The GOD who resurrects the dead, can immortalize the living. And HIS WORD cannot return to HIM void. HIS revelations are much more to be desired than silver and gold of this earth. HIS revelations are the most precious thing I have. I love HIS LAWS, HIS statutes, HIS revelations, HIS expositions, HIS counsels, HIS chastisements. HE is my GOD.

This is the gospel of the kingdom that must be preached to all nations and then the end shall come.

I am looking like the crazy one right now, but in time it shall be proven that what I am saying here is true. This is the very message that many walked away from while HE was still preaching it, in John 6:66... A people that saw the miracles HE had done, saw how HE healed many, how HE fed the multitude and so on, walked away from following HIM because HE said you can live forver without dying at all.
 
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posthuman

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Also the new body is not something you get at your death. The new body, the immortal celestial is body is what you put on in life. That is to say, as you are gradually putting on immoratlity, you are deafeating aging, deafeating sickness and deafeating death. And there in is the saying, O death, where is thy sting? O death where is thy victory?

They were called more than conquerers, because they didn't just survive, they crushed death. They are warriors, who did not give into death, they endured to the end - meaning they continued to assimilate revelations into their Spirit Being to the point that mortality was overthrown, brought down like the walls of Jericho were brought down. As they are running their race to immortality, they are running further and further away from death.
so today maybe i am 37.8% immortal, maybe tomorrow i will reach 38% immortality?

i will eat some nutritious psalms
 

luigi

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For us to know God is for God to know us.

God doesn't want to experience the sin in sinners, so He limits His own knowledge and allows this fallen place to exist. No one wants to admit to satan being the ruler and having authority. satan will be dethroned, but not yet. Jesus removed satan’s claim on us as long as we acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross.

Bad things happen because we asked to be here following satan and to be about ourselves separated from God.

God is only going to allow the people He knows into Heaven, so stop sinning.
Because of mans choice in the garden to believe the devil rather than God; the Lord is now working on the problem to make everything straight.

Isaiah 28:21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. 22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
Why can't angels die? Umm, does it matter?

We are like God in that we can think somewhat like Him.
We are in the image of God who is love (1 John 4:7-8 & 16), in that we can love our neighbor as He does.