Christianity was being preached and practised before the New Testament was written down. Paul's Letters, 49 -60 AD; the Gospels 65-100AD, Acts in the 70s. Therefore the Church as described in Acts was constituted and forming community, hearing the word, and celebrating the breaking of bread before any reliance on formally written scripture, apart from the Old Testament, which was the scripture of the early church. Indeed the contents of the New Testament as we have it, were not put together until maybe 200 AD or so, out of all the writings then circulating. How does that work out, if the Bible is the fundamental authority for Christianity, when historically you have the Church first, accepting the Old Testament as sacred, and then creating the New Testament, and seeing in it the fulfilment of the Old. The Apostles couldn't be everywhere at once, so how could early Christians settle matters of doctrine without scripture? Apart from which, most of them were Jewish anyway, until the Pauline missions to the Gentiles got going, and problems of community between Jewish Christians and Gentiles came up. For example Matthew's Gospel is clearly written for Jewish Christians, whilst Luke has a Gentile audience in mind. Historically, it would seem that the church came first, before the Bible, which was written accepted and codified by the church. This gives me problems.
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The mystery to me is how we are having an influx of new members who were "saved from birth."
WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES;
John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Galatians 2:20 - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 3:7 - Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. (Read More...)
Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Read More...)
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Colossians 3:10 - And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Acts 17:30-31 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Read More...)
Given the plethora of Scriptures that disprove the idea that one can be "saved from birth," why do so many people continue to believe this?
I truly sorrow for these people because I believe they have been misled by some theological teaching of some group, and that is so very sad. How do we reach these people and convince them that salvation does NOT come from birth?
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The mystery to me is how we are having an influx of new members who were "saved from birth."
WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES;
John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Galatians 2:20 - I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 3:7 - Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. (Read More...)
Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Read More...)
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Colossians 3:10 - And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Acts 17:30-31 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Read More...)
Given the plethora of Scriptures that disprove the idea that one can be "saved from birth," why do so many people continue to believe this?
I truly sorrow for these people because I believe they have been misled by some theological teaching of some group, and that is so very sad. How do we reach these people and convince them that salvation does NOT come from birth?
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Hello and welcome to CC.
In answer to the question I quoted in bold, the early Christians were filled with the Holy Spirit. They did indeed have the Old Testament (as we call it); that was their Scripture. As Paul's letters and the other writings were circulated, believers recognized that God had inspired certain writings, but not others. They began copying the inspired writings, collecting them, and eventually grouping them into single codices.
Your concern echos an argument used by Catholics. Are you a Catholic?
In answer to the question I quoted in bold, the early Christians were filled with the Holy Spirit. They did indeed have the Old Testament (as we call it); that was their Scripture. As Paul's letters and the other writings were circulated, believers recognized that God had inspired certain writings, but not others. They began copying the inspired writings, collecting them, and eventually grouping them into single codices.
Your concern echos an argument used by Catholics. Are you a Catholic?
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I have found that the Bible shows that only a scant few were ever born as being free from the Sinful Nature. Jesus and John the Baptist both were being led by the Spirit, even from within the wombs of their mother. David was taught from within the womb and from his mother's breast. More than likely, Enoch was taken without dying, thus he was likely born without a Sin Nature.
Scripture also tells us that we should not concern ourselves with who the Lord issues His Grace and Mercy. For He states Himself that He can grant His Peace to anyone He chooses.
Exodus 33:19 NKJV - "Then He said, "I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
Romans 9:21 NKJV - "Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"
So, it seems wise to think about what it means to be "saved." First . . . what are we saved from? We are saved from the Curse that was beset upon all of Creation . . . the Curse that brings death to all things, including people. Jesus can lift this Curse from anyone and anything He so desires. More than this, Jesus can lift this Curse from within the womb. This is not a problem, for Jesus can lift the Curse just as quickly as He issues it. Jesus can grant His Operation of Faith to anyone He chooses, including Saul, who was on his way to Damascus in a new quest for punishing Christians . . . even killing them. Saul, later named Paul, is proof that Jesus can lift the Curse from anyone, even if they are a murderer of Christians.
So, if Saul can be saved, then why does it matter if the Sinful Nature is lifted at birth, or if it isn't lifted until a person is old and dying? All that matters is that the Lord's Will is done and that His Plan is fulfilled; it will certainly be filled.
What an amazing Bible . . . isn't it?!
Scripture also tells us that we should not concern ourselves with who the Lord issues His Grace and Mercy. For He states Himself that He can grant His Peace to anyone He chooses.
Exodus 33:19 NKJV - "Then He said, "I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
Romans 9:21 NKJV - "Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"
So, it seems wise to think about what it means to be "saved." First . . . what are we saved from? We are saved from the Curse that was beset upon all of Creation . . . the Curse that brings death to all things, including people. Jesus can lift this Curse from anyone and anything He so desires. More than this, Jesus can lift this Curse from within the womb. This is not a problem, for Jesus can lift the Curse just as quickly as He issues it. Jesus can grant His Operation of Faith to anyone He chooses, including Saul, who was on his way to Damascus in a new quest for punishing Christians . . . even killing them. Saul, later named Paul, is proof that Jesus can lift the Curse from anyone, even if they are a murderer of Christians.
So, if Saul can be saved, then why does it matter if the Sinful Nature is lifted at birth, or if it isn't lifted until a person is old and dying? All that matters is that the Lord's Will is done and that His Plan is fulfilled; it will certainly be filled.
What an amazing Bible . . . isn't it?!
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The Old Testament Tanak was written over time as well but that does not mean it was not inspired by God. Similarly, the new Testament is inspired by God. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: "
Consider this Old Testament verselet: "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee ". Notice that the words are all the words which God has spoken unto him. This is a pattern for the Bible as a whole. However, remember that God writes on hearts so to speak: "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. "
Consider this Old Testament verselet: "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee ". Notice that the words are all the words which God has spoken unto him. This is a pattern for the Bible as a whole. However, remember that God writes on hearts so to speak: "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. "
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The same way we do now.... WE DONT.
We call the other guy a heretic and start or join a group that agrees with us. SIMPLE AS!
Most Jews already had their ducks in a row doctrinally speaking, they had the OT Scriptures that Paul speaks very highly of (2 Tim 3:16)
Also I would contend there were LESS doctrine arguments back then, as the regular people didn't have a Bible, they also didn't have all these WILD IDEAS they had today, creating this wildwest of doctrines we have going.
No one knew nothing, especially the gentiles, good times.
There was no doctrine to fight about. The biggest 'beef' back then was circumcision and how does the torah work with the new covenant, especially for gentile converts.
We call the other guy a heretic and start or join a group that agrees with us. SIMPLE AS!
Most Jews already had their ducks in a row doctrinally speaking, they had the OT Scriptures that Paul speaks very highly of (2 Tim 3:16)
Also I would contend there were LESS doctrine arguments back then, as the regular people didn't have a Bible, they also didn't have all these WILD IDEAS they had today, creating this wildwest of doctrines we have going.
No one knew nothing, especially the gentiles, good times.
There was no doctrine to fight about. The biggest 'beef' back then was circumcision and how does the torah work with the new covenant, especially for gentile converts.
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The reason is because the people that put bible together, were never called or led to do so. The ones that should have done that, were the 12 Apostles, and this was revealed in the fact that when Jesus His Pre-Eminence was feeding the multitude, HE told them to pick up every scrap of food that falls from their mouths and put it into baskets. And it was 12 baskets, and it was 7.
Then look at the woman that came to Jesus His Pre-Eminence and HE said: It is not meet to take the meat out of the mouths of the children and feed the dogs. And she replied, even the dogs eat the scraps that falls from the masters table. And HE remarked how she had such gret faith.
It is the Apostles only, that were supposed to put the bible together, but the people who did are among those who first crucified our Supreme LORD, second, persecuted the church, hijacked the church, and preached a counterfeir christ. And this was revealed in Daniel, the Great Prophet who revealed to us the system of babylon; babylon is a system of deliberate cover up masquerading in secrecy, changing with time, but still the same system. And we see that Babylon was overthrown by Medes Persia, then it was Grecia, and then it was Rome.
The system of Babylon had reached its final stage when Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth. And that is who crucified HIM.
Thus revealing that the same people that crucified the WORD, Jesus His Pre-Eminence, are the same people that gave the world the bible, that they also crucified the Word. And the bible consisting of the Law and the Prophets, has been in a crucified state all this time, which is the falling away spoken of, and the Prophecy of Rev 11... That is why there must be the one who will restore all things, and that person is Elijah, the 3rd Elijah, Prophesied by Malachi, and again by Apostle Peter, and also by Jesus His Pre-Eminence both in Matthew, and in Revelation.
So the bible that has been in circulation all this time, and translated many times, which has suffered lashings, beatings by those who together, excluding whatever they wanted, leaving in ticking time bombs, and such, is the bible in its crucified state. IT is the Word, that has lost the Spirit in the WORD, adalterated, therefore, it has the leaven of the pharisees. Proof, saul paul says he is a Pharisee.
The Word in its crucified state, Simply means that no matter how much you meditate in it, it can't give you the kind of life that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said HIS WORD will do. The WORD will be resurrected at a time, and the time now is, when the Spirit of truth is come, to restore all things.
THIS IS A TRUMPET.
COME OUT OF HER
Then look at the woman that came to Jesus His Pre-Eminence and HE said: It is not meet to take the meat out of the mouths of the children and feed the dogs. And she replied, even the dogs eat the scraps that falls from the masters table. And HE remarked how she had such gret faith.
It is the Apostles only, that were supposed to put the bible together, but the people who did are among those who first crucified our Supreme LORD, second, persecuted the church, hijacked the church, and preached a counterfeir christ. And this was revealed in Daniel, the Great Prophet who revealed to us the system of babylon; babylon is a system of deliberate cover up masquerading in secrecy, changing with time, but still the same system. And we see that Babylon was overthrown by Medes Persia, then it was Grecia, and then it was Rome.
The system of Babylon had reached its final stage when Jesus His Pre-Eminence walked the earth. And that is who crucified HIM.
Thus revealing that the same people that crucified the WORD, Jesus His Pre-Eminence, are the same people that gave the world the bible, that they also crucified the Word. And the bible consisting of the Law and the Prophets, has been in a crucified state all this time, which is the falling away spoken of, and the Prophecy of Rev 11... That is why there must be the one who will restore all things, and that person is Elijah, the 3rd Elijah, Prophesied by Malachi, and again by Apostle Peter, and also by Jesus His Pre-Eminence both in Matthew, and in Revelation.
So the bible that has been in circulation all this time, and translated many times, which has suffered lashings, beatings by those who together, excluding whatever they wanted, leaving in ticking time bombs, and such, is the bible in its crucified state. IT is the Word, that has lost the Spirit in the WORD, adalterated, therefore, it has the leaven of the pharisees. Proof, saul paul says he is a Pharisee.
The Word in its crucified state, Simply means that no matter how much you meditate in it, it can't give you the kind of life that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said HIS WORD will do. The WORD will be resurrected at a time, and the time now is, when the Spirit of truth is come, to restore all things.
THIS IS A TRUMPET.
COME OUT OF HER
The origin of the Scripture is God, not the Church.
The Church is the Bride of Christ, which includes Father Abraham.
Romans
4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised.
The Bible is the written form of the Word, which was in the beginning.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Church is the Bride of Christ, which includes Father Abraham.
Romans
4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which [he had] being [yet] uncircumcised.
The Bible is the written form of the Word, which was in the beginning.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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No one can read the NT and still believe they are "born born again". The question is why they choose to believe a lie, not whether they have ignorantly and innocently been deceived. Is any one here illiterate or without a Bible?
Ok, perhaps maybe a couple 12 year olds. I will concede that possibility.
Do some Calvinists actually teach this poop to their little ones?
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread.
Ok, perhaps maybe a couple 12 year olds. I will concede that possibility.
Do some Calvinists actually teach this poop to their little ones?
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread.
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Sorry, not buying this version of Scripture interpretation. This comparison is childish at best...... especially as I gave several Scriptures that specifically detail what the Lord's Will is concerning salvation. As to your idea of what we are saved from.......we are saved from the sin filled lives we lead prior to our salvation. I do not know where you would have learned such as you are trying to sell here, but I truly do feel sorry for you, and I pray that the Holy Spirit moves upon your spirit to bring you under conviction and that you truly seek to repent, and confess your sins and receive salvation by grace through faith in Jesus/God. Something that NO FETUS can possible do.
Catholic teachings are NOT Biblical concerning salvation IMO. I will pray for you
Catholic teachings are NOT Biblical concerning salvation IMO. I will pray for you
I do not know any Calvinists that teach such as this person is posting. Calvin taught that people were "predestined from the beginning" to be saved, but that at some point in their lives they would complete the salvation process as laid out in Scripture. The problem I have with his teachings is that he states the person has NO CHOICE, that they will be compelled to choose to believe in Jesus/God and be saved.
This person is far from Calvin's teachings IMO
This person is far from Calvin's teachings IMO
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Notice what Paul said to the Thessalonian Church:
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. 1 thess 2:13
So you see how that they received the apostles doctrine as not merely the words of men but as the word of God. They received the letters that Paul wrote as scripture. The first time a council was held to confirm canon the church had long since considered the same 27 books canon. This idea that they held a council to decide is a mistake about church history. That is not how it happened. They CONFIRMED what was already considered canon. This verse in 1 Thess 2:13 shows how they were already using Pauls and other apostles teaching as scripture along with the OT at the time that Paul wrote 1 Thess.
I hope that cleared it up for you.
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. 1 thess 2:13
So you see how that they received the apostles doctrine as not merely the words of men but as the word of God. They received the letters that Paul wrote as scripture. The first time a council was held to confirm canon the church had long since considered the same 27 books canon. This idea that they held a council to decide is a mistake about church history. That is not how it happened. They CONFIRMED what was already considered canon. This verse in 1 Thess 2:13 shows how they were already using Pauls and other apostles teaching as scripture along with the OT at the time that Paul wrote 1 Thess.
I hope that cleared it up for you.
The Salvation that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached is ever lasting life. Ever lasting life doesn't mean life after death, or life from resurrection, it means life uninterrupted. Any person that has died, did not have ever lasting life, because they experienced death - aside the GOD because GOD cannot die.
Life cannot lead to death. Death was called the enemy, to show that dying is not the path to life. How can your enemy lead you to GOD? Therefore, the salvation that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached is salvation from the Physical death.
If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Enoch never saw death, neither did Elijah.
I am the bread of life, he that eats of this bread shall not die but live forever.
There is the path to life.
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that Proceeds from the mouth of GOD.
Verily, verily I say unto, that there be some standing here that did not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Except ye are born again, ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD
Except ye are born of water, and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven
Enoch, and Elijah the Great Prophets were supposed to be an example to the church of what it means to be saved; of what it means born again. Yet, the church being in her infancy state has not even seen it as something that should be looked into. We were told to seek!
It is written: GOD is not a respector of persons. It is written: GOD is the rewarder of them that dilligently seek HIM.
HE said: Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness, and all these shall be added unto you.
There are parables about the man without his wedding garment, the parable of the sower, the parable of the wine caskets, HE changed the water to wine, and later HE changed that same wine to blood at the last supper and NO ONE in the last 2000 years has seen that as something that is IMPORTANT. Why did HE change the water to wine? There is a reason? What is it?
There is a reason why HE spoke these parables, because they were messages on how to be born again. Why you cannot put old wine into new wine caskets, WHO the person is that preached HIS Gospel ONLY, the reason for the new wine at the wedding, why it was at a wedding, and there hasn't been any preacher who has delved into that because THEY CAN'T.
What was it that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was preaching to the people when HE walked on water... The best the church got out of that was that we are to stay focused on Jesus His Pre-Eminence,... Rather, HE was revealing that there are the Laws and Bounds of the earth, and there is the kind of body, the kind of mystery divine nature you need to be superior to them.
All HIS teachings saying: ye shall pick up serpents and they shall not harm you. Messages about being unable to die at all, were all pointing to the immortal body, called the wedding garment, The robe of righteouseness, garments of praise, the transfigured body that is above the laws of this terrestrial earth. The born again body that grants you access into heaven alive. That is the Gospel of Ever Lasting Life. And that is what Enoch the Great Prophet. and the Great Prophet Elijah achieved!
Faith is a parable, spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence to conceal the mysteries of the kingdom, knowing that the false preachers, false teachers claiming to hear from GOD would run with it, and deceive the people. Faith was actually pointing to divine, Eucharistic Revelations about the GOD, about the Son of GOD, about the Son of Man, about the kingdom, about the heavens worlds, the anatomy of Angels, the anatomy of Cherubim and Seraphim, the transfigured body of Man, the unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation; message that are spiritual and life giving.
For false prophets shall arise saying "I am christ" and shall deceive many. This was not people believing that they are christ, it was people that would PREACH that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is Christ! That they will deceive many because they claimed that they were sent by GOD to preach.... IT IS A LIE THEY WERE NEVER SENT!
No person has been sent by GOD in the last 2000 years as justice for crucifying the truthful one, as justice for beating, lashing, crucifying Jesus His Pre-Eminence! These evil men saw the healing that Jesus His Pre-Eminence did, in a world that had no electricity, no advancement in medicine, healing that even doctors have not been able to achieve today, and they still Crucified HIM.
It will never be well with them.
Isaiah said: 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Why red? Why are sins red? And how will they be made white?
He also said: Our righteousness is like that of a filthy rag, pointing to the issue of blood that a woman experiences once a month. Why? What does this mean?
There is the Gospel of Ever Lasting Life, which is Divine Eucharistic Revelations about the mysteries of the kingdom, the image of GOD, the supernatural body that Father Adam had coupled for him before the fall that GOD said is in HIS image, and after HIS likeness, the body that conquered death. That is why it was called "born again" , because you were born in this earth of water, you must be born of the Spirit - which means that the body you have that was formed in the womb of your biolgical mother needs to be reborn, a celestial immortal body; by taking your mortal body on a spirituial journey, by meditating in Divine, Eucharistic Revelations which can immortalise your physical body in life alive.
And that is what it means, to Love GOD with all your heart, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
And Love your Neighbor as you love yourself. As it is written: Enoch pleased GOD. Why has no one bothered to look into what he did, why he was able to live forever? Why did no one wonder what he did to please GOD? Why has no one looked into the reason why they lived for hundreds and hundreds of years and not see that as IMPORTANT?
But I tell you, the enemies of the Mankind race have looked into it. In fact they know about it and know its true. Why do you think scientists are looking into immortality? Why do you think the emblem of medical doctors, is a serpent coiled around a pole? It was revealed in Moses making the brass serpent that everyone had to look at to be healed from a snake bite. Selah
For you are a Spirit Being, Programmed in the soul, baptised into the physical body. Your neighbor is your body. You are immortal, your body is mortal. For the body and Spirit to become one flesh, the body must be immortal. That is the wedding of the Lamb, and your immortal body is the wedding garment.
Therefore, as it were in the days of Noah, so too shall the coming of the Son of Man be, was pointing to the end of the world that is coming, the spectacular termination of this solar system, where the sun shall be switched off, and the earth shall be transfigured into a celestial planet. Which means only immortals can remain. Like everyone who was in the ARK was saved from the wipeout that killed every man, woman, child, animal, and life organism not in the ARK, and only Noah and his family and the animals in the ARK survived.The ARK, the only place where the Law was kept. Just as Noah coupled the ARK, we must couple our Supernatural body, so that we do not die at the end of the world.
That is what it means to saved, that we Live and not die at all, that we immortalise our physical body, so that we do not go to Abrahams Bosom to await resurrection.
I PUT BEFORE YOU TRANSFIGURATION FROM LIFE, OR RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.
CHOOSE LIFE.
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Life cannot lead to death. Death was called the enemy, to show that dying is not the path to life. How can your enemy lead you to GOD? Therefore, the salvation that Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached is salvation from the Physical death.
If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Enoch never saw death, neither did Elijah.
I am the bread of life, he that eats of this bread shall not die but live forever.
There is the path to life.
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that Proceeds from the mouth of GOD.
Verily, verily I say unto, that there be some standing here that did not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Except ye are born again, ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD
Except ye are born of water, and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven
Enoch, and Elijah the Great Prophets were supposed to be an example to the church of what it means to be saved; of what it means born again. Yet, the church being in her infancy state has not even seen it as something that should be looked into. We were told to seek!
It is written: GOD is not a respector of persons. It is written: GOD is the rewarder of them that dilligently seek HIM.
HE said: Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness, and all these shall be added unto you.
There are parables about the man without his wedding garment, the parable of the sower, the parable of the wine caskets, HE changed the water to wine, and later HE changed that same wine to blood at the last supper and NO ONE in the last 2000 years has seen that as something that is IMPORTANT. Why did HE change the water to wine? There is a reason? What is it?
There is a reason why HE spoke these parables, because they were messages on how to be born again. Why you cannot put old wine into new wine caskets, WHO the person is that preached HIS Gospel ONLY, the reason for the new wine at the wedding, why it was at a wedding, and there hasn't been any preacher who has delved into that because THEY CAN'T.
What was it that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was preaching to the people when HE walked on water... The best the church got out of that was that we are to stay focused on Jesus His Pre-Eminence,... Rather, HE was revealing that there are the Laws and Bounds of the earth, and there is the kind of body, the kind of mystery divine nature you need to be superior to them.
All HIS teachings saying: ye shall pick up serpents and they shall not harm you. Messages about being unable to die at all, were all pointing to the immortal body, called the wedding garment, The robe of righteouseness, garments of praise, the transfigured body that is above the laws of this terrestrial earth. The born again body that grants you access into heaven alive. That is the Gospel of Ever Lasting Life. And that is what Enoch the Great Prophet. and the Great Prophet Elijah achieved!
Faith is a parable, spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence to conceal the mysteries of the kingdom, knowing that the false preachers, false teachers claiming to hear from GOD would run with it, and deceive the people. Faith was actually pointing to divine, Eucharistic Revelations about the GOD, about the Son of GOD, about the Son of Man, about the kingdom, about the heavens worlds, the anatomy of Angels, the anatomy of Cherubim and Seraphim, the transfigured body of Man, the unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation; message that are spiritual and life giving.
For false prophets shall arise saying "I am christ" and shall deceive many. This was not people believing that they are christ, it was people that would PREACH that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is Christ! That they will deceive many because they claimed that they were sent by GOD to preach.... IT IS A LIE THEY WERE NEVER SENT!
No person has been sent by GOD in the last 2000 years as justice for crucifying the truthful one, as justice for beating, lashing, crucifying Jesus His Pre-Eminence! These evil men saw the healing that Jesus His Pre-Eminence did, in a world that had no electricity, no advancement in medicine, healing that even doctors have not been able to achieve today, and they still Crucified HIM.
It will never be well with them.
Isaiah said: 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Why red? Why are sins red? And how will they be made white?
He also said: Our righteousness is like that of a filthy rag, pointing to the issue of blood that a woman experiences once a month. Why? What does this mean?
There is the Gospel of Ever Lasting Life, which is Divine Eucharistic Revelations about the mysteries of the kingdom, the image of GOD, the supernatural body that Father Adam had coupled for him before the fall that GOD said is in HIS image, and after HIS likeness, the body that conquered death. That is why it was called "born again" , because you were born in this earth of water, you must be born of the Spirit - which means that the body you have that was formed in the womb of your biolgical mother needs to be reborn, a celestial immortal body; by taking your mortal body on a spirituial journey, by meditating in Divine, Eucharistic Revelations which can immortalise your physical body in life alive.
And that is what it means, to Love GOD with all your heart, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
And Love your Neighbor as you love yourself. As it is written: Enoch pleased GOD. Why has no one bothered to look into what he did, why he was able to live forever? Why did no one wonder what he did to please GOD? Why has no one looked into the reason why they lived for hundreds and hundreds of years and not see that as IMPORTANT?
But I tell you, the enemies of the Mankind race have looked into it. In fact they know about it and know its true. Why do you think scientists are looking into immortality? Why do you think the emblem of medical doctors, is a serpent coiled around a pole? It was revealed in Moses making the brass serpent that everyone had to look at to be healed from a snake bite. Selah
For you are a Spirit Being, Programmed in the soul, baptised into the physical body. Your neighbor is your body. You are immortal, your body is mortal. For the body and Spirit to become one flesh, the body must be immortal. That is the wedding of the Lamb, and your immortal body is the wedding garment.
Therefore, as it were in the days of Noah, so too shall the coming of the Son of Man be, was pointing to the end of the world that is coming, the spectacular termination of this solar system, where the sun shall be switched off, and the earth shall be transfigured into a celestial planet. Which means only immortals can remain. Like everyone who was in the ARK was saved from the wipeout that killed every man, woman, child, animal, and life organism not in the ARK, and only Noah and his family and the animals in the ARK survived.The ARK, the only place where the Law was kept. Just as Noah coupled the ARK, we must couple our Supernatural body, so that we do not die at the end of the world.
That is what it means to saved, that we Live and not die at all, that we immortalise our physical body, so that we do not go to Abrahams Bosom to await resurrection.
I PUT BEFORE YOU TRANSFIGURATION FROM LIFE, OR RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.
CHOOSE LIFE.
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