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The reason why OSAS people believe as such is because they don't make the Biblical distinction between a just man falling seven times and rising up again versus a professing Christian who climbs down into sin and won't leave.
They don't understand the difference between a lost presumptuous believer who covers his habitual sin with a cloak of OSAS, thinking that he will prosper, and one who receives mercy because he confesses and forsakes his sin.
They don't understand the difference between a lost presumptuous believer who covers his habitual sin with a cloak of OSAS, thinking that he will prosper, and one who receives mercy because he confesses and forsakes his sin.
That's exactly what OSAS teaches...that salvation gives you a license to sin because sin in no way affects your eternal destiny. The Bible is clear that those who cease to abide in the Vine become branches cast into the fire...that the end is worse than the beginning for those who return to the filth of the world from which they'd previously escaped....that it is impossible for them to repent who fall away after having partaken of the Holy Spirit and the goodness of God.
OSAS is a false idea which allows people to presume they can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
OSAS is a false idea which allows people to presume they can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
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Sin does effect your eternal,destiny
you can live your whole life and never sin, but stumble in the smallest of all sins and your guilty
when we all stand in front of,gods we will all,stand guilty because all have sinned and fall,short of Gods standard,
you will not be graded on a curve, you will be guilty,
the only thing that will seperate you from the person Next to you will be your response to gods grace
did you do as the tax collector and cry out for Gods mercy in brokenness, or did you pump your chest praising god your not like the sinner?
did you recieve in faith. Or reject in unbelief and works
the onewho had faith is not condemned because he believed in Christ,
the one you lived in unbelief is condemned already because his faith was not in Christ.
the sin issue was nailed to the cross
stop denying and excusing your own sin while judging everyone else’s and recieve the gift of eternal life, while putting aside your believe in conditional life
you can live your whole life and never sin, but stumble in the smallest of all sins and your guilty
when we all stand in front of,gods we will all,stand guilty because all have sinned and fall,short of Gods standard,
you will not be graded on a curve, you will be guilty,
the only thing that will seperate you from the person Next to you will be your response to gods grace
did you do as the tax collector and cry out for Gods mercy in brokenness, or did you pump your chest praising god your not like the sinner?
did you recieve in faith. Or reject in unbelief and works
the onewho had faith is not condemned because he believed in Christ,
the one you lived in unbelief is condemned already because his faith was not in Christ.
the sin issue was nailed to the cross
stop denying and excusing your own sin while judging everyone else’s and recieve the gift of eternal life, while putting aside your believe in conditional life
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Now you have portrayed that hypothetical situation, without KNOWING WHAT THE LORD's WILL IS, OR the Heart of the individual is.
If the one with ongoing falling off the wagon, because he lacked TRUST in the LORD, then I have reason to believe IF HE LACKED TRUST IN THE LORD, then it is possible he settled for something less than TRUE Saving Faith.
On the other hand, MAYBE the LORD has a plan for him to rescue other addicts, and then it would be a benefit for him to experience falling back into the drugs. So that when the LORD truly gave him the victory, he would be better prepared to witness to hardcore Addicts. The BEST WITNESS, is always someone who has walked a mile in the SHOES of a addict, and received deliverance FROM THE LORD, not someone who has NEVER BEEN where the addict is.
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I disagree with what you are saying. We know Paul addressed using the grace of God as a license to sin in Romans. To preach contrary to that is wrong and abhorrent.
What are your thoughts concerning eternal security.
Is it different from the understanding that you have concerning OSAS?
What are your thoughts concerning eternal security.
Is it different from the understanding that you have concerning OSAS?
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How in the world can a righteous person stand guilty before God if He regards him righteous IN THE HERE AND NOW?
Prophecy says the Judgment of the righteous happens BEFORE Jesus comes (Dan 7) and is why JESUS HIMSELF SAYS that “Behold, I come quickly and My reward is WITH ME to give to every man...”
Now, how in the world can He say His rewards for us are “WITH ME”, unless He has first determined what they are already, right or wrong?
Prophecy says the Judgment of the righteous happens BEFORE Jesus comes (Dan 7) and is why JESUS HIMSELF SAYS that “Behold, I come quickly and My reward is WITH ME to give to every man...”
Now, how in the world can He say His rewards for us are “WITH ME”, unless He has first determined what they are already, right or wrong?
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I am talking about you as a person co paired to all mankind, apart from the grace of God
ypur claim we can be saved and not get to heaven, that’s your argument, that we can somehow sin ourself out,
I am telling you the fact, that that person who you claims sinned himself out of salvation. Is just as guilty as you, not make re not less
you want to puff yourself up, when you should be humbly bowing on your knees
ypur claim we can be saved and not get to heaven, that’s your argument, that we can somehow sin ourself out,
I am telling you the fact, that that person who you claims sinned himself out of salvation. Is just as guilty as you, not make re not less
you want to puff yourself up, when you should be humbly bowing on your knees
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You are correct.
Now, let's say after years of loving God with all his heart, soul, and might, and his neighbor as himself, he turns back to a life of drugs and decides presumptuously that God's love will cover his sin which he desires more than pleasing God by obedience to His commandment to "not kill"...will God do that for him, or will he end up in the Lake of Fire?
Now, let's say after years of loving God with all his heart, soul, and might, and his neighbor as himself, he turns back to a life of drugs and decides presumptuously that God's love will cover his sin which he desires more than pleasing God by obedience to His commandment to "not kill"...will God do that for him, or will he end up in the Lake of Fire?
He is one who professes Christ as his Lord and Savior, yet:
The absolute worse thing a person can do is to perpetually claim, "I'm going to go ahead and indulge this sin and God's mercy will grant me forgiveness later." It's the "Great Transgression".
- commits deliberate, known, habitual sin...
- tells the Holy Spirit to get lost every time He attempts to lead him out of his deliberate, known, habitual sin...
- has no intention of ever repenting from his deliberate, known, habitual sin...
- and then claims his sin is covered by the blood of Jesus...
The absolute worse thing a person can do is to perpetually claim, "I'm going to go ahead and indulge this sin and God's mercy will grant me forgiveness later." It's the "Great Transgression".