So u want me to copy and paste whole chapters... LoL... Blease... U can just go and study it yourself if u like
Mormonism's Impossible gospel - Keith Walker
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So u want me to copy and paste whole chapters... LoL... Blease... U can just go and study it yourself if u like
If you are going to preach that a person is going to be judged by God on the day of judgement on their works you better be sure not to leave babes in Christ under the impression that they have just been told that their eternal salvation is dependent on their Works..
If you walk away from a babe in Christ leaving them convinced that performing works gets them saved then you have just placed a stumbling stone in front of them and seen to it that they no longer trust in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ for their salvation..
You will be held responsible for how you have handled the Word of God..
Are you attempting to bait me? I said nothing against Paul in my post, rather I posted in reply to yours on the subject you posted, only emphasizing we should learn from the Teacher.
Did I allude to ignoring Paul because I suggested learning from the Master? Then I suppose I did ignore him, however I seem to learn and read ddfrom Paul daily as I do first fromthe Master.
Read and learn what Paul teaches on saying "I belong to Paul.... etc."
Clearly that's not what i meant. But posting a list of verses and then going " see " ,is not good . Thats called 'proof texting '
The four Gospels are transitional books ,as is Acts . Some miss this and instead read Paul's letters TO THE CHURCH as if what goes before is the ' greater teaching ' . The " I'm of Jesus " Crowd .
Well ,you say that ,but when you talk to a Mormon you will notice which books they emphasis the most . They also do not rightly divide . They focus on the four gospels at the expense of Paul's letters. All cults do this.
Sounds like a very cheap way to dismiss verses that contradict your belief.
All u had to do was pick one and present an alternate explanation for it.
If you read what I wrote I never said: "see, blah blah blah". I said "Why, blah, blah, blah?"...
Huge difference as one is making an assertion while the other is asking a question...
I think someone said I was preaching but since when is asking a question considered preaching...
Im simply asking how people can dismiss so many contradicting verses and be so certain of themselves despite having the feeble mind of a human with very limited capacity and understanding...
U know our minds are 95% on cruise control. Operating from impulses just like every other animal.
So while you guys are so certain of yourselves and easily cast aside such verses, I cannot when I see reasonable doubt...
How about the idea of predestination? Jesus says that God chose us before we were even conceived, didn't he?
How can we be predestined yet have to rely on faith or works?
I honestly think the whole topic has been blown out of proportion and its become very tribal.
Catholics vs Protestants, us vs them. It seems to have very little to do with salvation and more about trying to discredit the other.
I mean, u don't go around arguing against Muslims or Hindus, do u? They have much less in common then why not attack them?
The whole thing has done nothing but divide us... U think God divides us? U know who the author of division is, right?
Then why fight amongst yourselves for? Thats exactly what Satan wants and he's done it very well chopping us all up into 40,000 denominations... I find it very disheartening... 2 years ago I thought there were only 4 or 5 and that they were all friends... It really hurts learning that the evil one is here as well, he is everywhere
The more I learn about Christianity the sicker i seem to get... I wholeheartedly believe in God but I have no idea where I belong, which church I should attend, they all seem as bad as each other and all this petty arguing over little details is nauseating.
We're all baptized, we all love Christ we all want to do good... So whats the big deal...
There is none for me apart from all this fighting... Im over it mate...
Anyway, no offence, Godspeed and God bless
isn't the hyper-dispensationalism you described doing exactly the same thing you're saying is wrong?
like, if you say "Paul's is the only gospel with which we have to do" haven't you divided scripture against itself, wrongly?
I agree with you on that with ' christianity ' and ' churches ' . The more we understand and rely on the bible and keep Jesus as our example we will never be disappointed or lose focus .
I don't know what ' hyper dispos hold to as it varies depending on whos explaining it ? But if the bible says in Galations that its an anathema to preach another Gospel other than the one delivered by Paul then we need to find out which Gospel he delivered them . 1 cor 15 . 1-4 is not luke 9.6
They camp out in the book of Matthew and the book of James to push a works orientated Gospel. Many denominations do the same .
yes, it is.
and if you camp out in Corinthians while thinking it contradicts Luke -- or as so many do, camp out in the NT acting like the OT is about an whole different god, you are not "cutting straight" or "accurately handling" the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 doesn't mean we're supposed to cut the scripture into pieces. that was your own point, saying that cults focus on some little portion of the Bible and isolate it from the rest of the book. what i want to point is out is that, that's exactly what dispensationalism does, whether you divide the scripture against itself somewhere in Acts or somewhere before or after it. it's not set against itself. if i think Luke 9 is a different gospel than Romans 4, i am not accurately handling The Sword -- in swordsmanship-jargon you could say i would have an edge-alignment problem. i'm not cutting straight; i'm holding it wrong and not swinging true.
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God,
a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(2 Timothy 2:15)
that word 'rightly dividing' is orthotomeó, from ortho ((right or accurate)) and temno ((to cut)). it's only found once in the whole Bible, right here.the sword we are armed with is the Word of God. a sword is used to cut -- we're not talking about cutting the sword in half; we're talking about wielding it.
a double-edged sword has a cross section like a long thin diamond-shape. when you cut something with it, you want the long axis of the sword's cross-section directly in line with the motion of the blade. when you don't have the sword aligned with the motion of your swing, it does not cut effectively ((i.e. you are not 'rightly dividing' or 'accurately handling' or 'cutting straight'))
in the diagram above the red line represents the direction the sword is travelling when it is swung. the gray box is the thing you are striking/cutting. the black diamond-shape is the a cross-section of the blade.
if you do not have good edge alignment you won't cut straight. part of the energy of the sword isn't being transferred into the cut; it's forcing the blade sideways when it hits the target. if your edge alignment is terrible, like the 3rd image, you may not cut at all - your sword might twist even further off-line, wrenching in your hand, and smack the target with the flat.
think like you're trying to hammer a nail into a board. you want ideally to hit the nail straight with the hammer, not sideways. if you hit the nail sideways ((relative to the axis of the nail)) you just push the nail sideways and either gouge out a channel in the wood with it, or bend the darn thing, rather than driving it straight into the wood.
same concept with a sword. you want to cut straight. you need to accurately handle it. you need to keep the edge of it directly in line with the arc of the swing.
this is ((IMO)) what Paul is talking about when he says 'cut straight with the word of truth' -- he's not talking about putting the Bible in a paper shredder. he's telling Timothy to practice good spiritual swordsmanship.