The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

[TMS]

Nobody is putting all the pieces of the puzzle together. I see truth mixed with error, and that's how satan works.

what does the Bible say, what did God tell us?

Rev 20,21 and the rest of the Bible needs to line up.

Jesus will come. A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.
“They lived [came alive] and reigned with Christ for a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4).
“This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection” (Revelation 20:5, 6).
It is called the first resurrection. The saved—“blessed and holy” from all ages—will be raised in it.
“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him” (Revelation 1:7).
“The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. ... And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
“There was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. ... And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent” (Revelation 16:18, 21).
(See also Jeremiah 4:23–26; Isaiah 24:1, 3, 19, 20; Isaiah 2:21.)

“The rest of the dead [those who were not saved] did not live again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).
“All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (John 5:28, 29).
The second resurrection takes place at the close of the 1,000-year period. The unsaved will be raised in this resurrection. It is called the resurrection of condemnation.

“With the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked” (Isaiah 11:4).
“When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God” (2 Thessalonians 1:7, 8).
“Let the wicked perish at the presence of God” (Psalm 68:2).
“The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5)
The living unsaved will be slain by the very presence of Christ at the second coming.

“The slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground” (Jeremiah 25:33).
“I beheld, and indeed there was no man” (Jeremiah 4:25).

Who can stand in the presence of The Almighty God in all His glory with all His angels around.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead

that was one angel.... imagine Gods Glory. who will stand in that day?

who does this not follow the Bible??? please show me.

 

[TMS]

Just so you know, it's not the scriptures I disagree with. It's your interpretation and your understanding of them is the focus of my disagreement. It is the enemies of Christ who cannot withstand His coming. They who have the mark of the beast, or worshipped his image, they will all be wiped out at His coming. He will consume them all who amass in that valley to destroy Jerusalem. His garment will be spattered with their blood.

Bottom line, it matters not at all that we disagree. This is a peripheral issue, mainly because no matter what we believe about those events in the future, the Lord will do His will, and the names written in that Book will determine who is saved, and who is not. That is what matters.

MM

i Agree.. that the main issue is being right with God before He comes. What happens in the 1000 years is decided already and if we are saved we don't need to worry.

But please consider the Jerusalem in Heaven, The Holy City that man has not constructed and has the throne of God in it today. The bride of Jesus described in Rev 21 is where Jesus is today. and will come to the Earth at the end of the 1000 years.

 

[Yahshua]

The Last Day Resurrection Is When The Immortal Body Is Received, Does That Below Look Living Or Dead To You?

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 & 51-54KJV
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put o54KJVn immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Thank you. Would you say their bodies will be like the Messiah's body at His resurrection?

 

[Truth7t7]

Just so you know, it's not the scriptures I disagree with. It's your interpretation and your understanding of them is the focus of my disagreement. It is the enemies of Christ who cannot withstand His coming. They who have the mark of the beast, or worshipped his image, they will all be wiped out at His coming. He will consume them all who amass in that valley to destroy Jerusalem. His garment will be spattered with their blood.

Bottom line, it matters not at all that we disagree. This is a peripheral issue, mainly because no matter what we believe about those events in the future, the Lord will do His will, and the names written in that Book will determine who is saved, and who is not. That is what matters.

MM

I Agree, the Lord will destroy the wicked, all of them

However you forgot that the heavens and earth are dissolved by fire, and all mens works are judged by this fire 1 Cor 3:13

Yes the second coming is the last day resurrection and judgement of all, the wicked to the Lake Of Fire, the Righteous in their glorified bodies, through the fire, to the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

No Human Body Survives The Lords Fire In Judgement, Not A One!

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Don't Look Back, Look Forward To The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem!

Luke 17:30-33KJV
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Through The Fire, To The Eternal Kingdom!

Zechariah 13:9KJV
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thank you. Would you say their bodies will be like the Messiah's body at His resurrection?

I believe scripture teaches that the glorified body will be of flesh and bone, just as Jesus Christ maintained, however different in glory, that being possibly "Brightness"?

Those rewards received, brightness in the Eternal kingdom, just my opinion?

1 Corinthians 15:41KJV
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

P.S. those seen in Rev 20:4-6 (The Souls) (The Dead) they are waiting upon the last day resurrection, they will partake in the (First) resurrection unto life, just like all that have died in faith will, immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming.

 

[Yahshua]

I believe scripture teaches that the glorified body will be of flesh and bone, just as Jesus Christ maintained, however different in glory, that being possibly "Brightness"?

Those rewards received, brightness in the Eternal kingdom, just my opinion?

1 Corinthians 15:41KJV
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

P.S. those seen in Rev 20:4-6 (The Souls) (The Dead) they are waiting upon the last day resurrection, they will partake in the (First) resurrection unto life, just like all that have died in faith will, immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming.

Thanks. Then you agree they're not dead anymore when they resurrect & reign. They're in immortal bodies of flesh and bone like the Messiah's body after His resurrection, one that can eat and be touched by others, but one that can ascend and descend heaven & earth. A body of flesh and bone (but not of flesh and blood as Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 15:50). I'm just repeating.


Luke 24:39 [brackets mine]
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit [i.e. ghost] hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[TMS]

The Last Day Resurrection Is When The Immortal Body Is Received, Does That Below Look Living Or Dead To You?

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 & 51-54KJV
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put o54KJVn immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

An incorruptible body
A glorious, perfect body,
A spiritual body,
A body that is changed in a moment, raised incorruptible, immortal, death is swallowed in victory.

Nothing there tells me that a spirits separated from their bodies are going to exist. When you read about the spirit and the flesh in Romans it is clear that it is what controls us and when we are raised we will be spiritually minded and obedient to the Spirit of God, not controlled by our flesh. That doesn't mean we will not have flesh.

Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The word in Greek for spirit is often "pneuma" it is breath, soul, spirit, and if you are thinking from a new age spiritualistic mind set it can seem like a spiritual being that is separated from the physical body.
We are made of 2 components

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks. Then you agree they're not dead anymore when they resurrect & reign. They're in immortal bodies of flesh and bone like the Messiah's body after His resurrection, one that can eat and be touched by others, but one that can ascend and descend heaven & earth. A body of flesh and bone (but not of flesh and blood as Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 15:50). I'm just repeating.


Luke 24:39 [brackets mine]
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit [i.e. ghost] hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Yes I believe a body of flesh and bone, tangible,that will eat fruit from the tree of life and drink wine at the marriage supper, in the Eternal kingdom New Jerusalem

P.S. this takes place "After" the second coming, and last day resurrection

 

[TMS]

Yes I believe a body of flesh and bone, tangible,that will eat fruit from the tree of life and drink wine at the marriage supper, in the Eternal kingdom New Jerusalem

P.S. this takes place "After" the second coming, and last day resurrection

Show the bible verse please?

 

[TMS]

“All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (John 5:28, 29).

The Bible talks about a resurrection at His coming. before the 1000 years
“This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection” (Revelation 20:5, 6).
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (the living) shall be changed." (1 Co 15:52)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1Th 4:16,17)

 

[Yahshua]

Yes I believe a body of flesh and bone, tangible,that will eat fruit from the tree of life and drink wine at the marriage supper, in the Eternal kingdom New Jerusalem

P.S. this takes place "After" the second coming, and last day resurrection

Ok. lol That took a lot but we made it to the first point: At the 1st resurrection, The dead are no longer dead but living, in glorified flesh and bone. Next, let me ask you about the timing...

Those seen below,The Souls, The Dead, arent living humans upon earth, they are dead and in the Lords spiritual realm, one day is a thousand years, not literal earthly time, simple.

The Non-Literal thousand years ends at the second coming,those souls and dead will take part in the "First Resurrection" at the second coming, receiving their glorified body, on the last day, simple

You say the 1st resurrection happens AFTER the second coming, but say the 1000-year reign is BEFORE the second coming and is non-literal but spiritual.

Since the 2nd coming hasn't happened yet, are you saying the saints are reigning with the Messiah now?


Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

 

[ewq1938]

“All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (John 5:28, 29).

Clearly there are two resurrections just as Premillennialism teaches plus the resurrection of the saved happens before any of the unsaved are resurrected.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok. lol That took a lot but we made it to the first point: At the 1st resurrection, The dead are no longer dead but living, in glorified flesh and bone. Next, let me ask you about the timing...



You say the 1st resurrection happens AFTER the second coming, but say the 1000-year reign is BEFORE the second coming and is non-literal but spiritual.

Since the 2nd coming hasn't happened yet, are you saying the saints are reigning with the Messiah now?


Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

The (Non-Literal) 1,000 Years Is Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Believers That Die, Up To The Second Coming, They Will Enter This Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign.

Same Souls Reigning Seen Below, This Is Taking Place Prior To The Second Coming, And Last Day Resurrection.

Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Yahshua]

The (Non-Literal) 1,000 Years Is Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Believers That Die, Up To The Second Coming, They Will Enter This Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign.

Same Souls Reigning Seen Below, This Is Taking Place Prior To The Second Coming, And Last Day Resurrection.

Revelation 6:9-11KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Ok, as you've posted, the passage below reads...

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Key phrases:

I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...

...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years...

...this is the first resurrection.


We just agreed that at the 1st resurrection the dead are no longer dead but alive in immortal flesh & bone. They were once dead but are living again. Doesn't the passage above specifically say the entire event (living again + reigning w/Messiah) IS the 1st resurrection?

 

[Truth7t7]

Show the bible verse please?

When Jesus Christ Appears, We Shall Be Like Him.

1 John 3:2KJV
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

A Tangible Body Of Flesh And Bone,That Ate Fish And Honeycomb.

Luke 24:37-43KJV
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

I'm Gonna Have A Glass Of Gods Fruit Of The Vine, Marriage Supper, Can't Wait!

Matthew 26:29KJV
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok, as you've posted, the passage below reads...

Revelation 20:4-5KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Key phrases:

I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...

...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years...

...this is the first resurrection.


We just agreed that at the 1st resurrection the dead are no longer dead but alive in immortal flesh & bone. They were once dead but are living again. Doesn't the passage above specifically say the entire event (living again + reigning w/Messiah) IS the 1st resurrection?

There Is One Future (Time) Of Resurrection Of "All" This Takes Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming John 6:39-40, John 5:28-29

There Are Two Resurrection On This Last Day, The Righteous Are Blessed To Be In The (First) Resurrection, On Them The Second Death (Damnation) Has No Power.

The (First) Resurrection Is To Eternal Life

The (Second) Is To Eternal Damnation

Looking Below, Rev 20:4 Is Describing dead Tribulation Saints

Rev 20:5 Is speaking of all others that have died in faith

Rev 20:6 Is telling how all that die in faith,are blessed to be in the future (First) resurrection unto life, that includes "All" that die in faith

(They Lived And Reigned)?

This means nothing more than those who die in faith, are amongst the (Living) God is God of the (Living) not the dead.

Luke 20:38KJV
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[pottersclay]

Your Response Is A Fairy Tale, In "Complete Denial" Of Gods Words Below

Ok, Let's All Hold Hands And Sing Kumbaya Lord, No Fire Seen Below At Your Appearing, Revealing

The fact is, Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement,dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.

You desire to see Jesus Christ return, and start a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, you dont want to acknowledge this fire at the Lords Appearance, Revealing, because your fairy tale Kingdom on this earth is (Gone)

The Lord Jesus Christ Appears, Reveals, In (FIRE)

There wont be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus Christ will return in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Destroyed Them All" At His Revealing (Fact)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

At His Presence, The World Is Burned, And "All" That Dwell Therein (Fact)

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Bodies Consumed By The Lords Fire In Final Judgement

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

The Heavens And Earth Are (Dissolved)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Then your going to have a real problem with this...

“Listen to Me, O house of Jacob, And all the remnant of the house of Israel, Who have been upheld by Me from birth, Who have been carried from the womb: Even to your old age, I am He, And even to gray hairs I will carry you! I have made, and I will bear; Even I will carry, and will deliver you.

Here are just a few of the I wills from the I Am.....where does that fit in your replacement theology???

Jesus is the redeemer...the goel of all who trust and believe in him.
Israel will recognize there Messiah...they looked on him that was pierced.
God is a promise keeper is he not?
All needs to be fulfilled...this is the blessed hope is it not.

You believe in a anti Semitic teaching that the church takes the place of israel.
How can one that is grafted in replace one that was created?

Furthermore God says he chasens the one he loves. Don't you think the Jewish nation has been chasen beyond measure? All throughout history to the point of no return....but yet they are once more according to the scriptures. A nation brought back by the call of the Lord. ( My sheep hear my voice).

The Lord will fulfill all of prophecy...all of the word...all of his promises. Only he is able.

 

[Truth7t7]

Then your going to have a real problem with this...

“Listen to Me, O house of Jacob, And all the remnant of the house of Israel, Who have been upheld by Me from birth, Who have been carried from the womb: Even to your old age, I am He, And even to gray hairs I will carry you! I have made, and I will bear; Even I will carry, and will deliver you.

Here are just a few of the I wills from the I Am.....where does that fit in your replacement theology???

Jesus is the redeemer...the goel of all who trust and believe in him.
Israel will recognize there Messiah...they looked on him that was pierced.
God is a promise keeper is he not?
All needs to be fulfilled...this is the blessed hope is it not.

You believe in a anti Semitic teaching that the church takes the place of israel.
How can one that is grafted in replace one that was created?

Furthermore God says he chasens the one he loves. Don't you think the Jewish nation has been chasen beyond measure? All throughout history to the point of no return....but yet they are once more according to the scriptures. A nation brought back by the call of the Lord. ( My sheep hear my voice).

The Lord will fulfill all of prophecy...all of the word...all of his promises. Only he is able.

Post Scripture With "Book", "Chapter" And "Verses", To Support Your Claims, Etiquette

I Consider Your Post A Non-Response, Waiting?

 

[Journeyman]

Hi Hourneyman,

My post was in reply to Truth7t7's post saying that "all are destroyed" at the reveling of Messiah. My question was, "how are all destroyed if Isaiah 2 is to remain true?"

Isaiah 2 isn't about the Messias 2nd coming. It's about his earthly ministry, which is still going on,

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem Heb.12:22 (The mountain of the Lords house),

Unbelievers cannot see it, or can they enter it unless they are born again.

Thus all are not instantly destroyed at the revealing of the Messiah. Yes, he will judge in fire (...lake of hire anyone?), but I'm pushing against this instantaneous moment that Truth7t7 is portraying. This happens during the millennium.

To your point regarding Isaiah 2 happening now; I beg to differ. From your perspective, I could also argue that the fire of judgment from the Messiah started during his ministry since Malachi AND John the Baptist AND Messiah spoke of the Messiah "bringing the fire".

Matthew 3:10-12
10 Even now the ax is lying at the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with[a] water for repentance, but one who s more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and will gather his wheat into the granary; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 12:49
49 “I came to bring fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

...but we know that actual fire will occur, not just a spiritualized fire.

Believers are baptized with fire for refinement. Whenever we are exposed to redicule, hatred, etc. for our faith in God, we have opportunity to show the love and forgiveness of Jesus,

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you, but rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 1Pet.4:12-13

We are made like our Lord. The 2nd coming is also compared to a baptism of fire as God once baptized the earth im water with a flood. (See 1Pet.3:20-21, 2Pet.3:5-7)

The return of our Lord will only harm those who are unprepared.

Likewise, actual weapons will be dismantled by the nations as a result of the "Mountain of the Living God" being established above all mountains on the earth. Scripture defines "mountains" as "governments". So Isaiah 2:2-4 has not happened yet because the governments of the world are not dismantling weapons but continuing to build more, even smart weapons nowadays.

The purpose of dismantling human weapons is to acknowledge their uselessness. Their uselessness is proven by the resurrection of our Lord. And as I told you, only those who recognize the mountain of the Lords house beat their weapons into plow blades. Jesus is not returning to unite all of mankind, or to have all of mankind experience the peace and safety of his rulership. Those things are available to people now.

Again, an actual resurrection of non-living people back to life is supposed to occur, not just a spiritualized resurrection to life through faith. This was the point I was making with my question. Truth7t7 said those who rule with the Messiah are "the dead 100% spiritual". Such a view nullifies the very hope that Paul and other NT writers looked forward to.

I understand what you're saying, but the 2nd death only has no power over those who have been born again, those who have been made alive in Christ.

If you are born again, you understand this world isn't ruling over you. You rule over it in the love of our sweet Savior.

 

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I Consider Your Post A Non-Response, Waiting?

Isaiah 46:4
“Listen to Me, O house of Jacob, And all the remnant of the house of Israel, Who have been upheld by Me from birth, Who have been carried from the womb: Even to your old age, I am He, And even to gray hairs I will carry you! I have made, and I will bear; Even I will carry, and will deliver you.

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