The Babies of God

[oyster67]

I don't think he was saying the person is trash

Okay. Lets show the newbie lot's of love then. Let's start behaving like manly meateaters.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

that’s maybe one of the best posts I’ve read since being here brother a lot of wisdom from the lord is being spilled out from your cup being filled over by the lord

yes , regarding pastors I agree . I have t been at the study part of faith long , used to just assume the person speaking at a pulpit knew Gods word . Over the last couple years getting into the scripture I began seeing a lot of things no one ever said , and a lot I was told that’s not In There.

this has really began to root mistrust in the worlds system of church . Even something as simple as the role of a pastor , I feel as if Were off track . The pastor every week preaches and everyone listens and just accepts it as truth

but biblically pastors were more as you are stating a leader and shepherd over the flock , thier lesder by example in humility , servitude , and faithfulness spiritual administration more or less and the speakers were to be two or three of those gifted with prophecy while the congregation weighed what was said

I like I said am no pro and have no PhD just a believer trying to know what’s true , but my view so far is that there is a convincing counterfeit of the church in the world , and there is the church that looks like what the. Bike teaches we are to be

this is not a condemnation or insult to any denomination or anything but just an observation from someone who was told one thing most of my life and then arose so
Many questions I was led to begin double checking some of what I was taught and found that it was not what the Bible actually teaches

I’m really in a place of mistrust of the established process we call church in the world again though people seem to seek for something that might insult them personally here , so I want to make clear I’m insulting or demeaning no ones belief just speaking to you about this because you seem to see similar things , or I could be mistaken

I feel what your saying. This (lots of study and lots of searching) is what lead me to where I am now.
Where I go there is more scripture in one service than in two months of other churches that I attended.
We have old testament, psalms, gospel, and epistle, every service. We also read the Apostles creed and the Lord's prayer every service, and we have the Lord's supper every Sunday.
Even when the pastor preached he only expounds upon a passage scripture. So he starts with scripture and then expounds from there.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

He don't start with a supposition and cherry pick scripture to support his premise.

 

[CS1]

He don't start with a supposition and cherry pick scripture to support his premise.

are you saying the expounding upon of scriptures has no application for today? Your Pastor provides no understanding of authorial intent?

" he only expounds upon a passage scripture" What is he expounding on?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My Bible says: If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly
stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because
the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test
the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder
will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will
be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15

yes mine also says that let’s look a bit closer at what Paul’s saying

I think he’s saying anyone who builds upon the word of Christ in the gospel will be saved is my understanding of it would you agree what Paul’s talking about here is what people teach ? And he’s not talking about sin and righteousness but he’s saying stick to what Jesus taught and you’ll be saved even if you aren’t a master builder which I agree with completely .

Paul’s talking about his work in the ministry and that the gospel is the foundation that saves

“Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.

But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:8-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s about what people teach after Paul , who built upon the foundation of Christ
it’s not talking about sin and righteousness he’s talking about doctrine and this sure foundation which Christ has laid for Christian belief

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock:

and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-48‬ ‭

so yes sister my Bible also says that if one is a teacher or preacher trying to build up the church if we remain on the foundation Christ provided which is summed up “repentance and remission of sins “


When Jesus says there’s no fruit on the tree he’s talking about what Paul further revealed , there’s more verses but this general type of things are what fruits we need to produce

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬



He says they have crucified the flesh he’s talking about repentance of these things which are thorns and thistles

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

which are those thrown into the fire who produced no fruit and instead thorns and thistles

all of this is my own personal view after reading your post no offense intended or argument wanted , discussion welcome

I think Paul’s talking about building upon the right doctrine in those scriptures and those who are tossed in the fore whom part from Christ are those who love in the flesh and not in the spirit

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

are you saying the expounding upon of scriptures has no application for today? Your Pastor provides no understanding of authorial intent?

" he only expounds upon a passage scripture" What is he expounding on?

When you expound upon scripture you go to the meaning, and those meanings and applications are timeless. But yes he does relate it to today's circumstances, thought and contrasts against philosophies and ideologies.

 

[Dino246]

Methinks me shall scratch for rubies first... and we should not insinuate that anyone is trash. He may be a wierdo, but then, so am I.

I am not for a minute insinuating that the man himself is trash (or even a weirdo, for that matter).

I am stating clearly and openly that his message is trash.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Seems Paul didn't heed your advice?

Actually Paul asked you to examine yourself, and leave the examination of others to God.

However, since you regard yourself as a mature Christian, kindly present the full and true Gospel, so that we may know which gospel you hold to.

 

[oyster67]

I am stating clearly and openly that his message is trash.

I think he said some very good things.

 

[oyster67]

Actually Paul asked you to examine yourself, and leave the examination of others to God.

Amen on that one.

However, since you regard yourself as a mature Christian, kindly present the full and true Gospel, so that we may know which gospel you hold to.

Since we are focusing on the message and not the messenger, I will take a swing at this one myself.

Believe, Repent, and Receive Jesus and His payment-in-full for my sin....

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Thanks. A detailed exposition of this passage would probably require many posts, since there are also interpretations of these words which deviate from Gospel truth.

 

[Lighthearted]

I totally agree. But those in the groups of striving, to stay Babies, are what we need to release from their captivity.

Last time I checked, Jesus is the only one that can break us from our chains. Not you, not I, not him, and not her.

 

[Dino246]

I think he said some very good things.

I respect your right to your view.

 

[Edify]

After reading this, I cannot determine if JohanA is a narcissist or a troll. So lets look at both.

Most narcissists don't even know they are one. So they probably need to be ignored because you can't deal with one.
If he's a troll he definitely needs to be ignored.
Either way he needs to be ignored & given no attention at all. So don't feed him.

 

[posthuman]

i don't think it's very cool that there are a bunch of denominations, either.

 

[KingdomBrat]

Yes. We all have a long way to go and we all have a lot of growing to do. We should not be hurt or intimidated by this fact. Lets focus on the message, not the messenger. Jesus loves all of us. No need to feed our insecurity complexes.

Completely agree. In fact, I don't feel like I am even participating in this Thread but merely observing and reporting what I see. I am simply following a few Members conversation with the Thread Op. But what I have observed has led me to the conclusions I have. And I reiterate, I am not even involved here. I am merely a Josephus writing down the events currently taking place.

 

[JohanA]

Your response is irrelevant.

Without any evidence provided you have no "judgment" but just the opinion of a human being. and you know what that is worth. Acting judge is of course "hypocricy". Because you are grabbing something that you are not given yet by your Father.

Mat. 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

The "beam" of course is your "inability" or lack of Anointing.

True Judgement does exist. And should be coveted. Not played with.

1 Cor.

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

It is given in Christ to you too. When you were born again by The Word of Christ.

Mat. 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This becomes now your evidence to your Baby Existence. Not knowing much and not being much. While you got everything in Christ. But you never grew up. As you were caught by that evil spirit unto which the Babies of God were given. In their choice for their group existence in fighting against one another.

 

[JohanA]

Which you fail to do. Perfectly.

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Dino246 said:


Your response is irrelevant.

Without any evidence provided you have no "judgment" but just the opinion of a human being. and you know what that is worth. Acting judge is of course "hypocricy". Because you are grabbing something that you are not given yet by your Father.

Mat. 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

The "beam" of course is your "inability" or lack of Anointing.

True Judgement does exist. And should be coveted. Not played with.

1 Cor.

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

It is given in Christ to you too. When you were born again by The Word of Christ.

Mat. 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This becomes now your evidence to your Baby Existence. Not knowing much and not being much. While you got everything in Christ. But you never grew up. As you were caught by that evil spirit unto which the Babies of God were given. In their choice for their group existence in fighting against one another.

 

[JohanA]

You seem to like displaying your arrogance.

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Dino246 said:


Your response is irrelevant.

Without any evidence provided you have no "judgment" but just the opinion of a human being. and you know what that is worth. Acting judge is of course "hypocricy". Because you are grabbing something that you are not given yet by your Father.

Mat. 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

The "beam" of course is your "inability" or lack of Anointing.

True Judgement does exist. And should be coveted. Not played with.

1 Cor.

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

It is given in Christ to you too. When you were born again by The Word of Christ.

Mat. 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This becomes now your evidence to your Baby Existence. Not knowing much and not being much. While you got everything in Christ. But you never grew up. As you were caught by that evil spirit unto which the Babies of God were given. In their choice for their group existence in fighting against one another.

 

[JohanA]

Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

2 Peter 3:1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.

We spoke on this already. You are welcome to your "thinking". If you didn't get the Revelation on what i said it is not for you yet. You can not pass to grade 6 when you have not yet finished grade 1. And we are not into strife. It is not good for those that are passing their "grades".

2 Tim. 2

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.