Not a Salvation Issue / Not Required for Salvation
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1.) Salvation and maintenance thereof requires only two things:
Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Notice that this does not allow for any man to get or stay saved by doing any magical 'work' or ordinance or sacraments. It is all based on faith and love. Jesus did all the heavy lifting on the Cross.
Ephesians
2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Verse 9 shows us that no man can boast that He acquired salvation by his own hand.
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2.) Now we see verse 10... Here we see how 'other things' fit into the picture. God uses us to produce good work through the guidance and power of His Spirit. We are vessels and tools in
WOW ! Touchy,much?
the master's hand.
Some things we do are simply ordinances and sacraments we do to remember what He did for us. These things are not required for Salvation, but can be profitable for understanding and growth if kept in their proper place.
1.) Salvation and maintenance thereof requires only two things:
Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Notice that this does not allow for any man to get or stay saved by doing any magical 'work' or ordinance or sacraments. It is all based on faith and love. Jesus did all the heavy lifting on the Cross.
Ephesians
2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
2:6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Verse 9 shows us that no man can boast that He acquired salvation by his own hand.
---------------------------------------------------------------
2.) Now we see verse 10... Here we see how 'other things' fit into the picture. God uses us to produce good work through the guidance and power of His Spirit. We are vessels and tools in
WOW ! Touchy,much?
the master's hand.
Some things we do are simply ordinances and sacraments we do to remember what He did for us. These things are not required for Salvation, but can be profitable for understanding and growth if kept in their proper place.
Do you even know the meaning of the word Christian yourself?
For you it is a name that a person calls themselves because they have confessed that Christ is Lord and believe that he was raised from the dead, but without any corresponding action or change in behavior.
The problem is that the demons also profess that Christ is Lord and have also stated that He is the Son of God. We read this in Luke 4:41. They also believe that Jesus died for humanity. They also believe that there is one God (James 2:19).
The demons believe and have professed that Christ is the Son of God, but do not obey God, and are not saved.
To only believe without corresponding action and not showing Christlike behavior, not loving God, not following Christ and not obeying God like Christ obeyed God makes you the same as a demon.
For you it is a name that a person calls themselves because they have confessed that Christ is Lord and believe that he was raised from the dead, but without any corresponding action or change in behavior.
The problem is that the demons also profess that Christ is Lord and have also stated that He is the Son of God. We read this in Luke 4:41. They also believe that Jesus died for humanity. They also believe that there is one God (James 2:19).
The demons believe and have professed that Christ is the Son of God, but do not obey God, and are not saved.
To only believe without corresponding action and not showing Christlike behavior, not loving God, not following Christ and not obeying God like Christ obeyed God makes you the same as a demon.
Although the verses mentioned were addressed to the believers in Rome, Corinth etc.
They are however actually applicable to all who call themselves Christians.
To say that that the audience was only the believers in that area is basically saying that the entire New Testament does not apply to any Christian living in 2021. Which is ludicrous!
There is no part of the bible that is addressed to people living in the USA, Europe, Australia etc. Yes, you must look at the context; however it is applicable to all Christians.
Is that they reason why you do not want to read it the bible and apply it, because you believe it is not addressed to you and the country that you are living in?
They are however actually applicable to all who call themselves Christians.
To say that that the audience was only the believers in that area is basically saying that the entire New Testament does not apply to any Christian living in 2021. Which is ludicrous!
There is no part of the bible that is addressed to people living in the USA, Europe, Australia etc. Yes, you must look at the context; however it is applicable to all Christians.
Is that they reason why you do not want to read it the bible and apply it, because you believe it is not addressed to you and the country that you are living in?
And which bible verses have I written out of context? You want to convince yourself that they are out of context because you do not want to do them because you do not love God.
These are excuses because you do not want to do what God tells you to do.
Also why does the bible have all these bible verses that I have mentioned? Do you think that God put them there because He thought that the bible was not long enough or was it because He wants us to read them and also apply them in our lives?
If God did not want us implement what is written in the bible verses that I mentioned and take them seriously, then they would not exist
These are excuses because you do not want to do what God tells you to do.
Also why does the bible have all these bible verses that I have mentioned? Do you think that God put them there because He thought that the bible was not long enough or was it because He wants us to read them and also apply them in our lives?
If God did not want us implement what is written in the bible verses that I mentioned and take them seriously, then they would not exist
You asked questions and then you addressed them yourself in your posts. Why would I respond to questions that have already been answered, it does not make sense.
If I had disagreed with them I would have responded.
I was actually surprised at your answers because from your previous posts in this thread you have shown that you do not want to obey God and have been supporting those who have the same mind-set as yourself.
I thought it was a sign of repentance, but seeing this post it is clearly not.
You are in agreement with gb9. I will also ask the same question, which bible verses have I written out of context? You want to convince yourself that they are out of context because you do not want to do them because you do not love God. Not only do your posts demonstrate that you do not read the bible that tells you God’s will. You are also offended at anyone that mentions parts of the bible that do not suit you.
If I had disagreed with them I would have responded.
I was actually surprised at your answers because from your previous posts in this thread you have shown that you do not want to obey God and have been supporting those who have the same mind-set as yourself.
I thought it was a sign of repentance, but seeing this post it is clearly not.
You are in agreement with gb9. I will also ask the same question, which bible verses have I written out of context? You want to convince yourself that they are out of context because you do not want to do them because you do not love God. Not only do your posts demonstrate that you do not read the bible that tells you God’s will. You are also offended at anyone that mentions parts of the bible that do not suit you.
I have been to different churches and have grown not to place reliance on the teachings of any church.
How would you know what a cult is any way? Cults deviate from the bible and promote teachings which are not biblical. Since you do not read the bible and do not want to obey it, how would you know whether a church is a cult or not?
The fact that you believe that verses from the bible would be promoted by cults shows that you do not know what a cult is.
Overall, it will be more beneficial for you to read the bible then to obsess about cults and what is wrong other churches.
I have noticed that when you cannot counter-argue what a member said, you resort to name calling which shows a lack of character.
I have also noticed that you are quick to label members who do not agree with you. You are also obsessed in calling other churches cults who do not support your ideology. I have seen this on many times with your posts to other members in this forum and the threads you have posted. Instead of finding fault with others and other churches you should make a self-evaluation and look at what is wrong with you. I doubt that you would not want to look at yourself because you would see un-Christlike and disobedient heart.
Your name calling will not lessen your character defects and your name calling makes you no better than a bully who attacks anyone who thinks and behaves differently them.
How would you know what a cult is any way? Cults deviate from the bible and promote teachings which are not biblical. Since you do not read the bible and do not want to obey it, how would you know whether a church is a cult or not?
The fact that you believe that verses from the bible would be promoted by cults shows that you do not know what a cult is.
Overall, it will be more beneficial for you to read the bible then to obsess about cults and what is wrong other churches.
I have noticed that when you cannot counter-argue what a member said, you resort to name calling which shows a lack of character.
I have also noticed that you are quick to label members who do not agree with you. You are also obsessed in calling other churches cults who do not support your ideology. I have seen this on many times with your posts to other members in this forum and the threads you have posted. Instead of finding fault with others and other churches you should make a self-evaluation and look at what is wrong with you. I doubt that you would not want to look at yourself because you would see un-Christlike and disobedient heart.
Your name calling will not lessen your character defects and your name calling makes you no better than a bully who attacks anyone who thinks and behaves differently them.
We have two messages being preached and taught here. And they are significantly different. One one hand we have this idea ,and its more like catholic teachings. Catholics are taught that Jesus is not enough.....if a Catholic trusted in Jesus ALONE for Salvation, now that would be very different...... all Catholics believe in Jesus and are aware He died on the Cross to save them......but they do not follow the Scripture that says this is ENOUGH to save them.....they are taught that Jesus made Salvation POSSIBLE......He opened the door to Heaven.....but Catholic Salvation lasts the entire lifetime, with the Sacraments, works, Purgatory.....and on and on.....that is a DIFFERENT Gospel.......the Bible condemns a different Gospel.....a different Gospel has not ever saved a single soul......how can it? it is JESUS ALONE who saves, not us plus Jesus, or works plus Jesus.......anytime you add ANYTHING to His perfect Sacrifice, you nullify it completely......that is the true tragedy of the RCC....so many of them do love God and Jesus, but they are being deceived into following man-made traditions rather then what the Word says......and that breaks my heart more than anyone here knows......
Jesus ALONE = Salvation
Jesus plus ANYTHING = Hell
it's that simple......
Jesus ALONE = Salvation
Jesus plus ANYTHING = Hell
it's that simple......
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