Not a Salvation Issue / Not Required for Salvation
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I don't think those here are making excuses surely not I, however, it is the message to you that needs to ensure you are doing so. And the motivating factor why must be love for God. I too must do the same thing our focus is not to be on them but on yourself. Search yourself to see if you are in the faith, judge if you are doing them IF you are, then you will have great success in teaching others to do likewise. If not then we become Pharisees.
Having a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. Meaning
WE able to look before men as doing the will of God but deny HIS will to change our hearts and mode us into HIS image. Why is that important?
Because if men only see you doing what God said to do and not see Jesus in you, there is no power to be a witness.
He who loves much has been forgiven much....
Having a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. Meaning
WE able to look before men as doing the will of God but deny HIS will to change our hearts and mode us into HIS image. Why is that important?
Because if men only see you doing what God said to do and not see Jesus in you, there is no power to be a witness.
He who loves much has been forgiven much....
Let's ask ourselves how salvation occurs, better yet lets look to scripture.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3 KJV
Or.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. Ezekiel 36 KJV
Salvation is a work of God not a decision or deed of man.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesian 2 KJV
For by grace: the divine influence on the heart, you are saved through faith and this faith is a gift of God.
For godly sorrow worketh/causeth repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians KJV
Godly sorrow, that is sorrow granted by God the Spirit, causes repentance and faith. However, the sorrow the world feels in the form of the conscience or the law being written on the heart worketh death.
Salvation is given not earned, there is nothing you can do to get it, there is nothing you can do to lose it. You can feed all the poor, be baptized a million times but if you have not been born from of above by God the Spirit you will not enter the kingdom.
Understanding how salvation occurs should clear up your questions. Hope this helps
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3 KJV
Or.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. Ezekiel 36 KJV
Salvation is a work of God not a decision or deed of man.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesian 2 KJV
For by grace: the divine influence on the heart, you are saved through faith and this faith is a gift of God.
For godly sorrow worketh/causeth repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2 Corinthians KJV
Godly sorrow, that is sorrow granted by God the Spirit, causes repentance and faith. However, the sorrow the world feels in the form of the conscience or the law being written on the heart worketh death.
Salvation is given not earned, there is nothing you can do to get it, there is nothing you can do to lose it. You can feed all the poor, be baptized a million times but if you have not been born from of above by God the Spirit you will not enter the kingdom.
Understanding how salvation occurs should clear up your questions. Hope this helps
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So your saying God will fail.. Because His help will not always succeed... You're starting to twist things trying to make your doctrine fit..
So one can only conclude if God is helping us and we fail then it is because we willfully choose to resist Gods help and sin.. Now what does the Bible say about wilful sin..
Hebrews 10: KJV
26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, {27} But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
Does not look Good for you if you having been in receipt of the Help of Jesus and you have willfully chosen not to take the way of escape from a sin since the time you have been saved...
Like i said before.. The doctrine you preach assures your own condemnation.. Because you SIN..
So one can only conclude if God is helping us and we fail then it is because we willfully choose to resist Gods help and sin.. Now what does the Bible say about wilful sin..
Hebrews 10: KJV
26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, {27} But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
Does not look Good for you if you having been in receipt of the Help of Jesus and you have willfully chosen not to take the way of escape from a sin since the time you have been saved...
Like i said before.. The doctrine you preach assures your own condemnation.. Because you SIN..
Hello CS1
I agree with you that love should be the motivation to obey God. Without love, obeying God would be drudgery and a burden.
Not only does the fact that God gave His Son to die for my sins make me love Him, but I love Him also because He has shown a personal interest in me and I see this in the prayers He has answered, the miracles that have happened in my life, His guidance and His protection.
I agree with you that love should be the motivation to obey God. Without love, obeying God would be drudgery and a burden.
Not only does the fact that God gave His Son to die for my sins make me love Him, but I love Him also because He has shown a personal interest in me and I see this in the prayers He has answered, the miracles that have happened in my life, His guidance and His protection.
You're not reading my posts in context.. It is a reply to your posts.. It is a reply to your teaching. That God will help Christians live an obedient life thus they will be sinless.. My reply was to counter your doctrine.. Of course i am not saying that i have never sinned after getting saved.. I am posting in opposition to the preaching that God helps saved people to stop sinning after they are saved. If God did help us to stop sinning then He would never fail and all saved Christians would live a perfect sinless life..
it’s just something to avoid things when they do that .
this is how you can know what salvstion is , how to receive it ,what God has done to save your soul , what God desires of you ,
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
that’s what pertains to salvation .
the gospel then they will tell you is only Jesus death and resurrection , nothing more . But the gospel that Jesus told us to Believe is what he taught in the four accounts of the GOSPEL . Matthew , mark , luke, and John . Those four books have this promise
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
saved from condemnation
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:51 KJV
The gospel is what Jesus preached when he was baptized and received the Holy Ghost until his death , he then told his followers tomoresch the gospel in all the world to all people and whoever believes would be saved
certainly the thing we hear and believe first is about him dying for our sins and being raised up for our justification , central to the gospel but so are his words essential to our salvation
the idea was that whoever would believe the gospel would be saved which is why we use the term “ salvation “ and find it afterwards in all the epistles and such
if we want to know the truth we should listen to the one God sent and believe what he teaches us
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
John 6:45, 47 KJV
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
Jesus has all the correct answers in the four accounts of the gospels it’s part of his mission
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
He warns us on the gospel many would distort his word afterwards and that his word is Gods ordained truth for eternal
Life
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.”
John 10:27-30 KJV
Security comes from belief
this is how you can know what salvstion is , how to receive it ,what God has done to save your soul , what God desires of you ,
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
that’s what pertains to salvation .
the gospel then they will tell you is only Jesus death and resurrection , nothing more . But the gospel that Jesus told us to Believe is what he taught in the four accounts of the GOSPEL . Matthew , mark , luke, and John . Those four books have this promise
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
saved from condemnation
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:51 KJV
The gospel is what Jesus preached when he was baptized and received the Holy Ghost until his death , he then told his followers tomoresch the gospel in all the world to all people and whoever believes would be saved
certainly the thing we hear and believe first is about him dying for our sins and being raised up for our justification , central to the gospel but so are his words essential to our salvation
the idea was that whoever would believe the gospel would be saved which is why we use the term “ salvation “ and find it afterwards in all the epistles and such
if we want to know the truth we should listen to the one God sent and believe what he teaches us
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
John 6:45, 47 KJV
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
Jesus has all the correct answers in the four accounts of the gospels it’s part of his mission
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
He warns us on the gospel many would distort his word afterwards and that his word is Gods ordained truth for eternal
Life
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.”
John 10:27-30 KJV
Security comes from belief