Who is Jesus?
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Hello Benadam, where does the Bible tell us that our progenitors were ~created~ as immortal beings 
If they had truly been "immortal" at the time of the Fall, then they would (by definition) have lived on forever, yes (albeit in a perpetually fallen/decaying condition ).
Is this not, in fact, the very reason that God stationed some of His cherubim and a flaming sword to block our first parents' way to the Tree of Life, so that they could not eat from that particular tree, gain immortal life by doing so, and then be forced to live on forever in their fallen condition
Thanks!
~Deut
If they had truly been "immortal" at the time of the Fall, then they would (by definition) have lived on forever, yes (albeit in a perpetually fallen/decaying condition ).Is this not, in fact, the very reason that God stationed some of His cherubim and a flaming sword to block our first parents' way to the Tree of Life, so that they could not eat from that particular tree, gain immortal life by doing so, and then be forced to live on forever in their fallen condition
Genesis 3
22 The LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Thanks!
~Deut
I don't think we can assume they weren't eating from the tree of life since death wasn't going to happen to them until they ate the forbidden fruit. I don't believe they ate forbidden fruit before eating fruit lawful to eat. If they didn't eat from the tree of life their mortal bodies would die anyway. They were cast out of the garden to prevent them from living forever in their fallen state of being evil (knowing evil) separated from God.
Hello Pilgrimshope, where did you find the definition for "human" that you just posited for us above
Thanks!
~Deut
Thanks!
~Deut
“This is the book of the generations of Adam.
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
Genesis 5:1-3
I suppose my thinking is Adam was the “son “ of God because he was not pro created but his life was born of Gods spirit
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
Adam is made of the earth , but his life came out of God . It was not corrupt not sinful he was in the beginning the image of God. So he is called son of God.
But his children ( the children of men ) beginning with Seth are Made in his now sinful image and are born under the curse of death. Men die because they are sinners , children of God have no sin is the difference .
Adam and his sons for a time are then again known as the sons of God because they are calling on the name of the lord like Christians do and are called to be his children who like before sin , are removed from the curse of death and are promised eternal Life
it doesn’t come from a dictionary brother. I apologize if I made it seem like I was quoting a dictionary or evolutionary definition it was a thought because of scripture
I seem to say this a lot I’m just having conversation in the discussion forum I’m not an authority , pro , teacher , not perfect in what I say , don’t think I’m a prophet or teacher or eise
Man or a good scholar
just was offering some thoughts like I see everyone else doing God bless
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It wasn't some Roman council.
The creeds were established by the early church. To refute heresies that were being brought in by false teacher.
While they aren't scripture, they a summarization of the scriptures on certain matters. The Athanasian creed is an explanation of the Holy Trinity, according to scriptures.
The creeds were established by the early church. To refute heresies that were being brought in by false teacher.
While they aren't scripture, they a summarization of the scriptures on certain matters. The Athanasian creed is an explanation of the Holy Trinity, according to scriptures.
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No. Jesus existed without a body just as God the Father existed without a body.
No. Jesus existed without a body just as God the Father existed without a body.
Hello again OneFaith, while I agree with some of what you said in your last post (e.g. His and our resurrection), that is not true of the portion of your post that I quoted here. In fact, it appears that I do not stand alone in disagreeing with you because, quite frankly, you seem to disagree with yourself (so please let me show you what I mean).
You said that you believe what you do, "because that's what the Bible says", so let's see if it does
If what you believe is true about Genesis 1:3 (that Jesus was "born" or came into existence for the first time when His Father said, "let there be light"), then how can John 1 and Colossians 1 'also' be true (since both passages tell us plainly that the Lord Jesus is the Creator of ALL things .. which would certainly include the "heavens and the earth" that were created before "light" was .. cf Hebrews 1:1-2)
We also know that the Being referred to by the Apostle as "the Word" (in John 1) was not only ~with~ God in the beginning, He also ~WAS~ God. IOW, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ ~is God~, our Creator, NOT a "creature", nor any other part of the created order (like "light", in fact, if what you believe is true about Jesus being "light", then He would also have had to create Himself).
Perhaps I am missing something however If so, please let me know what it is.
Thanks!
~Deut
(so please let me show you what I mean).You said that you believe what you do, "because that's what the Bible says", so let's see if it does
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 ~All~ things came into being by Him, and apart from Him ~nothing~ came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1
16 By Him ~all~ things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.
17 He is before ~all~ things, and in Him all things hold together.
If what you believe is true about Genesis 1:3 (that Jesus was "born" or came into existence for the first time when His Father said, "let there be light"), then how can John 1 and Colossians 1 'also' be true
(since both passages tell us plainly that the Lord Jesus is the Creator of ALL things .. which would certainly include the "heavens and the earth" that were created before "light" was .. cf Hebrews 1:1-2)We also know that the Being referred to by the Apostle as "the Word" (in John 1) was not only ~with~ God in the beginning, He also ~WAS~ God. IOW, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ ~is God~, our Creator, NOT a "creature", nor any other part of the created order (like "light", in fact, if what you believe is true about Jesus being "light", then He would also have had to create Himself
).Perhaps I am missing something however
If so, please let me know what it is.Thanks!
~Deut
Thank you for getting back to me, I enjoy discussing God’s Word with you. If you look back on what I said, maybe you’ll see where I told you that God said for there to be light, and there was Jesus the Light. Jesus then created all things, including the tree that He would later die on. So it’s like saying is the egg white or is it yellow? The answer is both. Jesus was created and then He created all things. I do not disagree that Jesus is God- there are only three beings who are, and He’s one of them. For God was pleased to have ALL His fullness go into His Son, so it would be impossible for His Son to not be God.
Therefore, in the beginning was Jesus- because Jesus is the beginning of the story of earth. He was with God the Father, and Jesus Himself was God also. We know that ‘God’ is plural because of the verse “Let Us make man in Our image” and we were made in the image of God- both male and female.
“Put” means something is now in place that was not in place before. God put all His fullness into a Son. There was no mother involved, so the percentage that came from the Father was 100%, all. Earthlings, lol, would call this cloning. But just as twins are not the same person, God the Father and God the Son are not the same person.
DISCLAIMER: I have respect for every single person here. I hope that we can agree, or at least agree to disagree. Never take anything I say as angry, because I am here to love and share biblical truth as I see it. I respect everyone’s God-given right to freewill thought and decision. I will open-mindedly consider what you have to say, and hope that you will do the same for me…
Thank you for responding to my comment. In comment #67 I also use those scriptures. You should go back and read it, as I explain how Jesus is the firstBORN as the scriptures say.
Thank you for responding to my comment. In comment #67 I also use those scriptures. You should go back and read it, as I explain how Jesus is the firstBORN as the scriptures say.