At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

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saintrose

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I know the answer. Pity. There are things you and I could agree on, but never on this issue. I hope you pray about this issue. I believe God will show you where you're wrong, if you let Him.
I agree with Surfer14 as I have read that this is all preplanned and see it with my own eyes. Also various religions have been moved into America when we were once a Christian nation. I was in the doctor's office and it felt strange because many people were speaking other languages. Some of the religions brought in:

Buddhist
Islam
Santeria
Hindu
Taoism
Sikhism

Please read Henry Makow. He explains a lot of what has been the pre-planned destruction of America. I pray that God opens your eyes to what is happening. God bless!

https://www.henrymakow.com
 

CS1

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I agree with Surfer14 as I have read that this is all preplanned and see it with my own eyes. Also various religions have been moved into America when we were once a Christian nation. I was in the doctor's office and it felt strange because many people were speaking other languages. Some of the religions brought in:

Buddhist
Islam
Santeria
Hindu
Taoism
Sikhism

Please read Henry Makow. He explains a lot of what has been the pre-planned destruction of America. I pray that God opens your eyes to what is happening. God bless!

https://www.henrymakow.com
the only reason why America is the way it is, only because of the sin Christians allowed to become normal in the homes, and churches. God is judging America and it is started at the house of God first. Trump was a grace period given to the Church to stand up. Now the church will be made ready and it going to be harder in 2021. The great falling away is coming more than you know. Time to reap for the collective sins:

  • Abortion ( Murder killing of innocence )
  • Divorce and remarrying as the days of Noah were marrying and giving in marriage
  • Homosexuality, and accepted in the church
  • teach children to sin
  • idolatry

WE have sown to the wind and we are going to reap the whirlwind.
 

saintrose

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I agree with Surfer14 as I have read that mass immigration is all preplanned and I see it with my own eyes. Also various religions and cultures have been planted into America's midst when we were once a Christian nation. I was in the doctor's office and it felt strange because many people were speaking other languages.

I also had a foreign man approach me in a store. I was kind and talked with him but he got weird and grabbed my arm and began kissing it. At first I thought that he must have gotten the wrong idea maybe from Hollywood that all American women were loose. Then I wondered if it was his belief system or religion where women are thought to be chattel.

It's been reported that the huge influx of foreigners was what helped to collapse Rome.

Some of the religions that have been brought in:

Buddhist
Islam
Santeria
Hindu
Taoism
Sikhism

Also - a friend works in a pharmacy and said that elderly Americans can't afford the copays on their medication. She had a customer who stood at the counter crying because he couldn't pay the $2,000 copay for his diabetes medication. He likely went home and died. She said she has many customers who can't afford their medication. But foreigners on Medicaid get everything paid for. This is a genocide of Americans that no one is talking about.

I wouldn't want to see any human being denied medical care but the reverse is happening: Americans are now discriminated against.

Please read Henry Makow. He explains a lot of what has been the pre-planned destruction of America. I pray that God opens your eyes to what is happening. God bless!

https://www.henrymakow.com
 

saintrose

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the only reason why America is the way it is, only because of the sin Christians allowed to become normal in the homes, and churches. God is judging America and it is started at the house of God first. Trump was a grace period given to the Church to stand up. Now the church will be made ready and it going to be harder in 2021. The great falling away is coming more than you know. Time to reap for the collective sins:

  • Abortion ( Murder killing of innocence )
  • Divorce and remarrying as the days of Noah were marrying and giving in marriage
  • Homosexuality, and accepted in the church
  • teach children to sin
  • idolatry

WE have sown to the wind and we are going to reap the whirlwind.
I do agee with you. Christians have sat passively as all manner of evil has taken place. Some day you'll come to see that Trump was nothing but an actor put in place by the people who really control America. But yes, you have listed the sins. Anywhere sin is practiced demons congregate.

I am very concerned that the deep sin being practiced and tolerated is drawing strong demonic activity to America. False religions have been planted in our midst. I think that we need to pray and pray heavily.

I don't know at this point how to turn things around. We all know America is going down as planned. I think that God still expects us to do our part instead of sitting there helplessly waiting for the rapture that likely isn't coming. We have WW3 coming, and a complete collapse. May God help us. And may He find us faithful to do all that is in our power to do.
 
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kaylagrl

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I agree with Surfer14 as I have read that this is all preplanned and see it with my own eyes. Also various religions have been moved into America when we were once a Christian nation. I was in the doctor's office and it felt strange because many people were speaking other languages. Some of the religions brought in:

Buddhist
Islam
Santeria
Hindu
Taoism
Sikhism

Please read Henry Makow. He explains a lot of what has been the pre-planned destruction of America. I pray that God opens your eyes to what is happening. God bless!

https://www.henrymakow.com
Surfer is speaking about the Jews... I don't believe the Jews are the reason for all the worlds problems. I believe they are still God's chosen people.
 
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Surfer is speaking about the Jews... I don't believe the Jews are the reason for all the worlds problems. I believe they are still God's chosen people.
We all should be thankful for the Jews.
If it were not for God keeping His promise to His chosen people, He would have burned this wicked world years ago with all of its inhabitants.
 

CS1

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I do agee with you. Christians have sat passively as all manner of evil has taken place. Some day you'll come to see that Trump was nothing but an actor put in place by the people who really control America. But yes, you have listed the sins. Anywhere sin is practiced demons congregate.

I am very concerned that the deep sin being practiced and tolerated is drawing strong demonic activity to America. False religions have been planted in our midst. I think that we need to pray and pray heavily.

I don't know at this point how to turn things around. We all know America is going down as planned. I think that God still expects us to do our part instead of sitting there helplessly waiting for the rapture that likely isn't coming. We have WW3 coming, and a complete collapse. May God help us. And may He find us faithful to do all that is in our power to do.
LOL, an actor? hahaha if you think Trump was an actor Then you surely must think Biden is an Oscar winner. Trump was the epitome of the Outsider. When you come to see that, then you will know how much God truly placed that man in office to give us a short time of grace. The man was hated by Both parties.

He did more to combat child trafficking , prison reform,. and reduce Abortion. The ones in there now are the poster children for PPH.

Harris is wicked, as is Biden, yet you tell me someday I will see how bad Trump was LOL, wake up! He is no longer the POTUS.

IF you were not engaged during the past four years when IT was so bad under Trump, well fasting praying and fighting to keep the doors open is what we have been doing for the past 10 years. LOL.
 
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I know the answer. Pity. There are things you and I could agree on, but never on this issue. I hope you pray about this issue. I believe God will show you where you're wrong, if you let Him.
Kayla,
I might be right. I might be wrong. I don't know. But here's what I do know: I am seeking after the truth. I don't care where it takes me. I don't care if everyone on this planet hates me for it. I'm going to go after the truth regardless. I read my Bible, I study history, and I've travelled quite a bit. The opinions I hold are not based on nothing. I used to think pretty much exactly as you do. The opinions I hold are what I honestly believe to be true. If God shows me I'm wrong, then I'll change in a heartbeat. But I'll tell you what: It feels like everything I ever thought I knew has turned out to be a lie. The only thing I've found that's remained trustworthy is our Lord, Jesus. All I want to do is serve our Savior.
 
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Some day you'll come to see that Trump was nothing but an actor put in place by the people who really control America.
I voted for Trump, but I now suspect you are correct.

Did you ever hear about Operation Trust? Operation Trust was a disinformation campaign used by the Bolsheviks. When they were just taking over, they were very vulnerable to counter attack by anti-communist forces. So what they did was to put out this constant disinformation about how mysterious anti-communist forces were always just on the brink of exposing the communists and bringing them to justice, etc. All that people had to do was trust these established anti-communist forces. The real anti-communists didn't actually do anything because they were relying on some mysterious forces (that turned out to not even exist) to do it. Does this remind you of anything?

Q was Operation Trust 2.0. "Trust the plan".
 
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kaylagrl

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Kayla,
I might be right. I might be wrong. I don't know. But here's what I do know: I am seeking after the truth. I don't care where it takes me. I don't care if everyone on this planet hates me for it. I'm going to go after the truth regardless. I read my Bible, I study history, and I've travelled quite a bit. The opinions I hold are not based on nothing. I used to think pretty much exactly as you do. The opinions I hold are what I honestly believe to be true. If God shows me I'm wrong, then I'll change in a heartbeat. But I'll tell you what: It feels like everything I ever thought I knew has turned out to be a lie. The only thing I've found that's remained trustworthy is our Lord, Jesus. All I want to do is serve our Savior.
Then brother, love the Jewish people, and pray that they are blessed. God says they are the apple of His eye.
 
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Then brother, love the Jewish people, and pray that they are blessed. God says they are the apple of His eye.
The Bible teach us that all God's children are the apple of His eye.

The interesting picture in the Bible about this apple of His eye is that God see us as His reflection in His eye. It is a picture of a little man/woman reflected in God's eye. (Like when you look into a mirror and see your own reflection in your eye). That is how God sees us.
 

saintrose

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Surfer is speaking about the Jews... I don't believe the Jews are the reason for all the worlds problems. I believe they are still God's chosen people.
Yes some still do believe that as Zionism is an erroneous teaching, I read, from Scofield, and all pastors are indoctrinated in it in Bible College. Th.e Jews back in Christ's day rejected Him if you remember. Many crucified Him. I think it's something really worth researching in depth. You may also want to ask yourself why Israel flies a satanic flag. If you research, you'll find there is no such thing as the "Star of David."

I read many sites and didn't vet this one but it may offer some understanding: https://thetruthersjournal.home.blog/2020/01/04/the-star-of-david-deception/

We've been lied to about so much.
 

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LOL, an actor? hahaha if you think Trump was an actor Then you surely must think Biden is an Oscar winner. Trump was the epitome of the Outsider. When you come to see that, then you will know how much God truly placed that man in office to give us a short time of grace. The man was hated by Both parties.

He did more to combat child trafficking , prison reform,. and reduce Abortion. The ones in there now are the poster children for PPH.

Harris is wicked, as is Biden, yet you tell me someday I will see how bad Trump was LOL, wake up! He is no longer the POTUS.

IF you were not engaged during the past four years when IT was so bad under Trump, well fasting praying and fighting to keep the doors open is what we have been doing for the past 10 years. LOL.
I voted for Trump too but saw that he would say one thing and do another. Something didn't feel right about him and that's what led me on research. In depth research.

You have bought into the lie that they have presented to you: Trump is the outsider!

Who do you think came up with that? Do you even know?

Think about it.

Research Tavistock Institute. They've studied for many years how to manipulate the masses. They have psychologists working there and they know what works just as advertisers hire psychologists to sell their product. In this case, Trump was the "product." We were sold the lie that he's the outsider.

When you research Mr. Trump in-depth, not casually, you'll find a trail online that shows that he's the ultimate insider. Very few people reach that level of wealth without deep connections. And no one...NO ONE...is allowed to be "elected" without the say so of the group at the top. We've been lied to.



Both sides are owned by whoever is at the top: Jesuits, illuminati - I don't know who is at the top but they own every country. When I first began looking into the hand signs Trump flashed I was shocked to find online photos of all Presidents back to Reagan flashing the same signs that actors and actresses, ballplayers, and leaders from OTHER countries such as Merkel, and Prince Harry, and almost every other leader. Do research on it and you'll find it. Trump flashes the triple six constantly and the devil's triangle which is supposed to be a portal for demons.

Such as what we see LeBron James do prior to games:


Now I see the who left/right thing is the Hegelian Dialectic - look that term up.

Believe me - I know how wicked Biden and Harris are.

We've been lied to about almost everything. You'll find that out once you travel deep enough down the rabbit hole. Let me forewarn you: it's not pretty but it is truthful.

God is truth. Satan is about lies.

Remember that.
 
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kaylagrl

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Yes some still do believe that as Zionism is an erroneous teaching, I read, from Scofield, and all pastors are indoctrinated in it in Bible College. Th.e Jews back in Christ's day rejected Him if you remember. Many crucified Him. I think it's something really worth researching in depth. You may also want to ask yourself why Israel flies a satanic flag. If you research, you'll find there is no such thing as the "Star of David."

I read many sites and didn't vet this one but it may offer some understanding: https://thetruthersjournal.home.blog/2020/01/04/the-star-of-david-deception/

We've been lied to about so much.
The Jews have been blinded for a time, Romans 11, but they will come to know Christ. We all rejected Christ at one point. The Jews are still God's chosen people and He is not done with them yet. You don't need outside sources, read the Word.
 
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kaylagrl

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The Bible teach us that all God's children are the apple of His eye.

The interesting picture in the Bible about this apple of His eye is that God see us as His reflection in His eye. It is a picture of a little man/woman reflected in God's eye. (Like when you look into a mirror and see your own reflection in your eye). That is how God sees us.

Zechariah 2:8: "For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye".


It is speaking of Israel...
 
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Surfer is speaking about the Jews... I don't believe the Jews are the reason for all the worlds problems. I believe they are still God's chosen people.
It's ultimately not even the jews. It's satan. That is the real enemy. Yes, satan does have many agents and tools that he uses. But the Bible is correct - Eph 6:12 "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places."
 
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It's ultimately not even the jews. It's satan. That is the real enemy. Yes, satan does have many agents and tools that he uses. But the Bible is correct - Eph 6:12 "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places."

Yes brother, it is satan, he's been trying to destroy the Jews for many, many years. But one day, very soon, the Lord will split the Eastern Gate and He will avenge those who have come against His chosen people, and the saints will be with Him. God still has His hand on the Jewish people, though satan has tried to snuff them out time and again.
 

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Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?
If it is a matter of tyranny, I would not raise up arms against the government, following the example of the disciples and early church who did not take up arms against Rome.

on a personal level, if someone tries to hurt my wife or kids or grandkids or someone else, I will fight to the death to protect them.