Not By Works

[peldom10]

The reason for so many responses is...most are confused and do not rely on the Bible.
Here is the key for understanding....not by works...alone....

 

[VCO]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The reason for so many responses is...most are confused and do not rely on the Bible.
Here is the key for understanding....not by works...alone....

The word alone is not found in any of that passages, you have added to the word of God, as such, you have disqualified yourself from being a reliable source, so instead of telling people they are confused, you need to confess your own twisting of Gods word

 

[VCO]

THEIR IT IS, dc, 150,000 posts, and e.g. beat me to it. Thank You for all the good times.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

THEIR IT IS, dc, 150,000 posts, and e.g. beat me to it. Thank You for all the good times.

I did not want a “worker for” to get that post

 

[Phoneman-777]

WRONG.

OSAS says we can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[Phoneman-777]

just another way to say born of the spirit perfected by works. Again, paul calls people who believe this fools. and most of all. remember God knows our heart, he does not need proof.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth (Jesus) is not in him."

nope, I am a preacher that believes he who began a good work in you will complete it (hebrews)

Nope, you preach overcoming is optional while Jesus said to them that overcome will He grant eternal life.

i am a preacher who believes that those born of God can not live in sin because Gods spirit is in this (1 John)

No, you preach "salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the habitual sin that will ever remain in me."

I am a preacher who says a dog is made into a new creature, and as such, will not return to his vomit, only a dog returns to his vomit

The Hebrew Chiasm demands that the experience of the dog is equal to that of the sow...which means if the sow was WASHED but returned to the muck, that means the dog was also in some way PURIFIED, likely with wholesome food, but returned to feasting on vomit.

I am a preacher who states that this who wer of us and are no longer with us, but now reject Christ in sin were never of us, because as John said, if they were they never would have left.

John was speaking of a specific class - antichrists. Let's not make one passage eliminate all the others which plainly show saints who decided to go back to serving sin.

I was the tax collector who God on my knees, and called out on Gods mercy, and in doing so, God saved me, not by my works of righteousness (how good I am) but because of his mercy.

The free gift of salvation is not a License to keep on sinning. Jesus said the problem in the last days would be LICENSE, not Legalism.

you sir have slandered me, and in doing so you have broken the 9th commandment which says you shalt not bear false witness, where you are guilty as charged

You, sir, need to understand that "slander" has to do with a person's character, not with a person's beliefs. I only criticize beliefs. And, even if the character of a Christian is attacked, so what? The Cross is supposed to be that which leads a Christian to lay his pride in the dust, not indignantly protest when it is perceived to be injured.

nope I call evil evil and I a, calling your sin out, and proving that you break the ten commands and do not even own up to it.

Hey, when people condemn Biblical truth and then exalt that which the Bible does not teach, isn't that making good evil and evil good?

you are like the pharisee pumping your chest and declair ing how righteous you are by praising God your not like the sinner

The Pharisee wasn't the one pounding his chest...that was the Publican

 

[Phoneman-777]

You forgot one

the religious christian, who thinks he is perfecting his salvation based on how good he is, on how much he resists sin, on how well he obeys the law. The modern day pharisee

Please remember the two deadly ditches that flank either side of the Path of the Righteous: Legalism: the law without love. License: love without the law.

The Pharisees of the past lifted up the law and crucified Jesus and the Pharisees of today lift up Christ and crucify the law. We are to shine the light of truth upon both sides of the Path, but today everyone wants to throw more light on already well-lit Legalism while leaving License in almost total darkness, which is why so many are falling into it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

AND AGAPE LOVE COMES FROM GOD.

Agreed...and now get ready for some Cognitive Dissonance :

Matthew 24:12-13KJV says, "And because iniquity shall abound, the love ("agape") of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Holy smokes! Jesus is predicting in verse 12 that there will be born-again, blood-washed, grace-saved saints who will receive God's agape their hearts, but will allow practiced iniquity to cause that agape to grow cold and dead within them, resulting in their failure to endure to the end and be saved, in contrast to the saints in verse 13!

Now, the brain's coping mechanism for C.D. is to put the Limbic system in the driver's seat, throw out the new disturbing truth, and just retain the old opposite OSAS truth...but both can't be true, right? Please tell the Limbic system to get out of the way and let the Frontal Lobe take over.

 

[VCO]

OSAS says we can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

YOU HAVE BELIEVED A LIE, and what's worse is YOU keep on REPEATING that O.S.A.S something we HAVE NEVER TAUGHT IN OUR LIVES.

I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH. We TEACH that WORKS HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF Salvation; HOWEVER, WE TEACHES IS IT IS PART OF AGAPE LOVE, THAT HE POURED INTO OUR HEART. How about you apologize for the lies you have been spreading about O.S.A.S. and that we teach Dead Faith.

We did a lot of moving what we were younger, to small towns. As a result we had to Change Churches a lot, because small towns may have only one OSAS Church.
We were attending:

two Evangelical Free Churches,
Several Community Bible Churches,
a couple of Baptist Churches,
one GRACE BRETHREN CHURCH,
two Evangelical Lutheran Churches,
two Bible Fellowship Churches, and I may have forgotten one or two.

EVERYONE OF THEM were OSAS Churches, and every single one of them TAUGHT SALVATION happened to the human spirit, before TIME BEGAN, and was RECEIVED at the moment saving Faith came it; and the evidence that IT WAS REAL, are Deeds done afterwards out of purely AGAPE LOVE, and that LOVE was GOD"s LOVE Poured into our Hearts by the Holy Spirit. We believe any deed done without motivation of AGAPE LOVE, it nothing more than wood, hay, and stubble at BEST, or FILTHY RAGS at the worst.

 

[crossnote]

two Evangelical Lutheran Churches,
two Bible Fellowship Churches, and I may have forgotten one or two.

EVERYONE OF THEM were OSAS Churches, and every single one of them TAUGHT SALVATION happened to the human spirit, before TIME BEGAN, and was RECEIVED at the moment saving Faith came it; and the evidence that IT WAS REAL, are Deeds done afterwards out of purely AGAPE LOVE, and that LOVE was GOD"s LOVE Poured into our Hearts by the Holy Spirit. We believe any deed done without motivation of AGAPE LOVE, it nothing more than wood, hay, and stubble at BEST, or FILTHY RAGS at the worst.

Interesting, all the Lutheran Churches I attended believed one could lose salvation. They usually argued that one could worm their way out of Jesus and the Father's hands from Jn 10.

 

[VCO]

Interesting, all the Lutheran Churches I attended believed one could lose salvation. They usually argued that one could worm their way out of Jesus and the Father's hands from Jn 10.

Apparently, Evangecals is the difference. Here is the statements from an EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH. Hear is the Part of their Statement of Faith, on GRACE. SOUNDS OSAS TO ME.

7. God’s Election of Grace
We confess that those in this life who, through the Gospel, have been called, enlightened, sanctified, and preserved in the true faith, have from eternity been elected according to God’s unmerited love to this adoption as His children, and have been chosen in Christ “before the creation of the world” to be heirs of everlasting life. Therefore Christians can and should be sure of their salvation, since God’s promise is steadfast and His gracious election to salvation stands firm.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth (Jesus) is not in him."

Read this verse,

Whoever keeps knows God whoever does not keep is a liar,

Just like John, whoever sins has never known God whoever is born of God does not sin

Face it dude, those passage support eternal security not your lack of security works based modern day phariseeism.

Nope, you preach overcoming is optional while Jesus said to them that overcome will He grant eternal life.
No, you preach "salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the habitual sin that will ever remain in me."
The Hebrew Chiasm demands that the experience of the dog is equal to that of the sow...which means if the sow was WASHED but returned to the muck, that means the dog was also in some way PURIFIED, likely with wholesome food, but returned to feasting on vomit.
John was speaking of a specific class - antichrists. Let's not make one passage eliminate all the others which plainly show saints who decided to go back to serving sin.
The free gift of salvation is not a License to keep on sinning. Jesus said the problem in the last days would be LICENSE, not Legalism.
You, sir, need to understand that "slander" has to do with a person's character, not with a person's beliefs. I only criticize beliefs. And, even if the character of a Christian is attacked, so what? The Cross is supposed to be that which leads a Christian to lay his pride in the dust, not indignantly protest when it is perceived to be injured.
Hey, when people condemn Biblical truth and then exalt that which the Bible does not teach, isn't that making good evil and evil good?
The Pharisee wasn't the one pounding his chest...that was the Publican

Whatever dude scripture all you want, all I see is a man telling me I should obey the commands while he is in almost every post breaking the 9th commandment, you judge yourself by your insistent lies.

Keep talking, you build my faith further and further, and prove your lack of faith and sin in order to justify your lack of faith greater

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please remember the two deadly ditches that flank either side of the Path of the Righteous: Legalism: the law without love. License: love without the law.

The Pharisees of the past lifted up the law and crucified Jesus and the Pharisees of today lift up Christ and crucify the law. We are to shine the light of truth upon both sides of the Path, but today everyone wants to throw more light on already well-lit Legalism while leaving License in almost total darkness, which is why so many are falling into it.

Please remember, there are two sides of pride

One says I can say a prayer and sin all I want (licentiousness)

One says I must have faith, but then I must do all these things, or else my faith is not enough (legalism)

Both are rooted in pride, and both get angry and start slandering the true grace people when they are backed to a wall

What is funny, is licentious people call true grace believers legalists, because we confront their lack of faith and try to help them overcome sin. While legalists call is licentious, because we confront the lack of faith and trying to judge everyone in affect showing how righteous they THINk They are, which is a lie

 

[Phoneman-777]

YOU HAVE BELIEVED A LIE, and what's worse is YOU keep on REPEATING that O.S.A.S something we HAVE NEVER TAUGHT IN OUR LIVES.

I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH. We TEACH that WORKS HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF Salvation; HOWEVER, WE TEACHES IS IT IS PART OF AGAPE LOVE, THAT HE POURED INTO OUR HEART. How about you apologize for the lies you have been spreading about O.S.A.S. and that we teach Dead Faith.

We did a lot of moving what we were younger, to small towns. As a result we had to Change Churches a lot, because small towns may have only one OSAS Church.
We were attending:

two Evangelical Free Churches,
Several Community Bible Churches,
a couple of Baptist Churches,
one GRACE BRETHREN CHURCH,
two Evangelical Lutheran Churches,
two Bible Fellowship Churches, and I may have forgotten one or two.

EVERYONE OF THEM were OSAS Churches, and every single one of them TAUGHT SALVATION happened to the human spirit, before TIME BEGAN, and was RECEIVED at the moment saving Faith came it; and the evidence that IT WAS REAL, are Deeds done afterwards out of purely AGAPE LOVE, and that LOVE was GOD"s LOVE Poured into our Hearts by the Holy Spirit. We believe any deed done without motivation of AGAPE LOVE, it nothing more than wood, hay, and stubble at BEST, or FILTHY RAGS at the worst.

Let’s not get all excited and emotional, OK?

Just admit that a saint can turn his back on salvation, like the Unmerciful Servant did; like those that escaped the pollution of the world but returned back to it did; like those who partook of the Holy Spirit but fell away and crucified the Son afresh did (since God only gives His Spirit “to them that obey Him“ but “the carnal mind...is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be”, THESE PARTAKERS WERE SAINTS ); like Judas did and like other examples in Scripture of the same.

OSAS simply can’t stand the test of Biblical scrutiny, friend

 

[peldom10]

The word alone is not found in any of that passages, you have added to the word of God, as such, you have disqualified yourself from being a reliable source, so instead of telling people they are confused, you need to confess your own twisting of Gods word

Alone was mine...can't you see the separation...in construction? Or do you just want to be critical?
By history...I suggest the later.
There are many ...preachers/ministers...who are in violation of God's word.
How many do you want me to list...including the pope....and you.

 

[peldom10]

YOU HAVE BELIEVED A LIE, and what's worse is YOU keep on REPEATING that O.S.A.S something we HAVE NEVER TAUGHT IN OUR LIVES.

I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH. We TEACH that WORKS HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF Salvation; HOWEVER, WE TEACHES IS IT IS PART OF AGAPE LOVE, THAT HE POURED INTO OUR HEART. How about you apologize for the lies you have been spreading about O.S.A.S. and that we teach Dead Faith.

We did a lot of moving what we were younger, to small towns. As a result we had to Change Churches a lot, because small towns may have only one OSAS Church.
We were attending:

two Evangelical Free Churches,
Several Community Bible Churches,
a couple of Baptist Churches,
one GRACE BRETHREN CHURCH,
two Evangelical Lutheran Churches,
two Bible Fellowship Churches, and I may have forgotten one or two.

EVERYONE OF THEM were OSAS Churches, and every single one of them TAUGHT SALVATION happened to the human spirit, before TIME BEGAN, and was RECEIVED at the moment saving Faith came it; and the evidence that IT WAS REAL, are Deeds done afterwards out of purely AGAPE LOVE, and that LOVE was GOD"s LOVE Poured into our Hearts by the Holy Spirit. We believe any deed done without motivation of AGAPE LOVE, it nothing more than wood, hay, and stubble at BEST, or FILTHY RAGS at the worst.

There is no such thing as OSAS... while on this earth.
Only when God designates saved.......after death and...judgement. While here we are ...born again...only.

 

[Absolutely]

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[crossnote]

Apparently, Evangecals is the difference. Here is the statements from an EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH. Hear is the Part of their Statement of Faith, on GRACE. SOUNDS OSAS TO ME.

7. God’s Election of Grace
We confess that those in this life who, through the Gospel, have been called, enlightened, sanctified, and preserved in the true faith, have from eternity been elected according to God’s unmerited love to this adoption as His children, and have been chosen in Christ “before the creation of the world” to be heirs of everlasting life. Therefore Christians can and should be sure of their salvation, since God’s promise is steadfast and His gracious election to salvation stands firm.

Figures, ELCA is the one Synod I never attended, and for good reason...they reject Scripture as being inspired by God. I only had attended LCMS, WELS and ELS.

 

[crossnote]

There is no such thing as OSAS... while on this earth.
Only when God designates saved.......after death and...judgement. While here we are ...born again...only.

John 5:24 KJV
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 5:10 KJV
[10] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Philippians 1:6 KJVS
[6] Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: