At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

[pottersclay]

Be careful be very careful in what you see to believe.

Satan has disguise his intent as racism, feminism, gender identity, entitlement.

A disease is not known only by it's symptoms. Symptoms are treated and if relieved one may think they are cured.
But the disease remains and grows.
A new world order is man's pursuit. A order in which man is in charge of his destiny.
Hearts have waxed cold, minds have been polluted, family's have been broken, God has been replaced.
Stand steadfast in your faith, fasting and prayer are the weapons of the righteous.
The sword of truth will have it's way. God's grace is only given to the humble. The proud will fall.

There are many that join the cause not knowing what it is but only to cause destruction and chaos.
These are the ones that we have a right to defend ourselves against.
But when it comes to whom we will serve......may the Holy Spirit be upon us.

We could take good council from Daniel

Notice that he refused from the king's table...what does that mean.
Our new king in the United States is biden.... What does he set before us?
To embrace gay rights, to support green energy, to embrace illegal imagration, to support civil rights protest. Abortion, ect
Now if your prospective is biblical then you know very well that a majority of the matters here are anti Christ.
So as Daniel did so we must do.....refuse to embrace.....mainly because these are not godly nor are thee the real issues.
Our lord said it's man's hearts that need to be changed, replaced, his mind has to be renewed
Man must be born again from above.
Jesus is the answer not more laws or legislation.
They have called good evil and evil good. None of man's solutions will prosper.
I posted sometime back last year that theses problems will not go away.
This virus were fighting will not be eradicated. As man attempts to show he has power to create a vaccine God upset it by two more strains more stronger.

 

[Blain]

Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?

Hey Rose I haven't seen you in a good while.
For me personally I am not the violent type except when it comes to the protection of others if I am being attacked I have no interest in fighting back but if I see others being attacked I will risk my life to defend them
To be honest ever since I met God when I see others being attacked I change from my docile meek self, something about the protection of others just draws a different person out of me. I don't think it is a sin to fight if done for the right reasons

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?

At whatever point you want to be judged .

but I would say this : any Christian who believes the gospel will never use a gun to fight evil whoever lives by the sword shall die by it remember ?

the world fights one way , we fight Gods way. I’m only talking about what scripture says


“Recompense to no man evil for evil.

Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,

but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:17-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There is a recompense for every evil under the sun , the vengeance for all of it belongs to the Lord , who commands us to do all we can to be at peace .

there are situations where I think anyone’s going to fight , and there’s also a thing such as righteous anger

you Know ? Someone slaps ones mother , it’s on ! no matter who you are someone’s getting slapped back

or someone breaks into your home in the midst of the night that’s why people buy guns for protection in their private domain for thier selves and familiesin a last case scenario deal

Christians fight evil in the world , by doing the good . I know the lord also is understanding of our plight always and knows all there is to Know about us and only he is our judge


I know that it’s hard , really hard to be pushed especially today in America with so much change I feel pushed and backed into a corner for my beliefs a bit but in the church belief and doctrine there’s not really room for vengeance their way but we can fight Gods way and leave the revenge to him

just my own thoughts brother nothing official or anything just provoked on thought by your post

 

[oyster67]

At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

When I come back down from Heaven with King Jesus at His Second Coming.

 

[throughfaith]

" Turn the other cheek " was not aimed at the Church .

 

[MattforJesus]

Throughout my years of reading Scripture I've wondered when to apply turn the other cheek, and when to pray imprecatory prayers, or even when it was appropriate to turn over the tables of the moneychangers.

If anyone has researched the New World Order they know that some dark days are ahead. What they have planned is martial law and taking everyones guns. Throughout history whenever a tyrant wanted to take over they would disarm the people first so they couldn't fight back.

If anyone has read about the Christian Armenian genocide you see what is done to Christians. At what point do you think that you should fight back rather than turn the other cheek?

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

A Christian is to never fight physically or verbally no matter the situation.

Jesus said do not resist evil which is physical but we resist evil spiritual which resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God said do not fight back when the world attacks the Christians for however they fight back it will come upon them and they are acting like the world which is the patience and the faith of the saints to endure it.

2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

Paul did not fight back when they were going to take his life.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

The saints are to endure persecution and never fight back even when their life is at stake.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

God will deal with the world when they persecute the saints, or any affliction they give them, and the saints are not to avenge themselves.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

People that know the truth do not fight back when their life is on the line.

God is in control and nothing can happen unless God allows it so if someone is persecuted even when threatened with their life then they cannot fight back for what God allows to happen you cannot fight against it.

They could not touch Jesus until He was ready to give His body to shed blood for salvation so no one can touch a saint unless God allows them.

Some people believe they can fight back but they cannot for they have to be different than the world, and God is in control and nothing can happen unless He allows it, and He said vengeance is mine so He will repay the people that persecute the saints whether physical harm or trying to take their life.

But even people that believe the truth might have a hard time to abide by it for they would want to fight back.

I believe I would fail and want to fight back but I would repent.

Some people in the truth do not want to take physical punishment or lose their life, or see their family and friends suffer or lose their life.

Some people in the truth do not want to appear as a wimp, or a sissy, by not fighting back when someone wants to kick the crap out of them especially in a society like America which is so worldly oriented and many do not follow God, or are hypocritical.

 

[saintrose]

You're right. I'm not disputing that. They eventually will take everyone's guns. And it is certainly something to think about.

But what I'm talking about is just a bit more insidious....
Did you ever watch any of those video's where the islamofreaks have a prsioner blindfolded and kneeling in front of them, and then they proceed to cut off his head? The prisoner doesn't really do anything. Or I'm sure you've heard of people being forced to dig their own graves and then they line up obediently so that a soldier can put a gun to the back of their head and execute them conveniently? Why does this happen? It's because these people have been stripped of the will to live. Stripped of the spirit of freedom.

How did that happen? How do you rob someone of the will to live? Answer: Incrementally.
Let's back up a bit...
9/11 happened. Government instituted TSA. TSA imposed a bunch of "security" checks on passengers. Everyone with a brain knows that those checks are not to catch terrorists. Everyone with a brain knows that those checks are there to condition people to submit. And in that submission, the spirit of man is broken down. This is because you're submitting to something dehumanizing for what you know to be a lie.

Corona masks are the same thing. We know that they don't do anything for the "virus", but they are a sign of fealty. They coerce us into wearing them. Why? Because, like the TSA groping, when you submit to what you know to be a lie, then you lose some of your spirit. You lose some of your drive.

There's a host of these types of things I could point to. But suffice it to say that they all serve to rob you of the spirit of freedom, the spirit to live free. That's what I'm talking about. Before they take our guns, they'll want to complete their goal of stripping the people of their spirit. And when people give up their guns, it won't be the guns that will be the most valuable things that they're giving up that day. That will basically be the final act of surrender for the beaten mind.

That's what I'm trying to get you to guard against. Exercise that spirit! Kindle that fire. Breathe life into it within yourself and others!

Okay now I understand - and that's all true what you said. I also read that the mask mandates are a beta-test. I walked into a store without a mask and two young women SCREAMED at me who worked there. I went into another store and a black woman went without a mask and she looked tough - no one said a word to her. So I ripped my mask off and no one said a word.

They learn what works at Tavistock - they study the human psyche.

What happens to people is that I believe they're brutalized and then death is a welcome release. But before it gets to that point people should fight. When you read the account of Jews in Nazi Germany they kept hoping that they were only going to a place for a short time. Of course they were lied to. Hitler demonized the Jews and you can see the media is demonizing Christians and whites. If Americans don't wake up then we're going to see a genocide of Christians in this country.

The words penned in Gulag Archepelago hold relevance:

Remember Solzhenitsyn’s words in the GULAG ARCHIPELAGO: “Resistance should have began right there but it did not begin. You aren’t gagged, you really can and you really ought to cry out that arrests are being made on the strength of false accusations. If many such outcries had been heard all over the city would arrests have no longer have been so easy.”

They, the tyrants, can’t work in the public eye. Those people who were so apathetic, hoping that nothing was really wrong, that nothing would happen to their persons and property, sat back and watched.

If you think that all (that) is necessary is to pay your bills, to go vote when there is an election, and to stand back during the rest of tht year and watch as your country and way of life are replaced by a system in which you will be a slave in a concentration camp, you – not the conspirators – are guilty because you, by silent acquiescence, invite tyranny and oppression.

 

[saintrose]

Okay now I understand - and that's all true what you said. I also read that the mask mandates are a beta-test. I walked into a store without a mask and two young women SCREAMED at me who worked there. I went into another store and a black woman went without a mask and she looked tough - no one said a word to her. So I ripped my mask off and no one said a word.

They learn what works at Tavistock - they study the human psyche.

What happens to people is that I believe they're brutalized and then death is a welcome release. But before it gets to that point people should fight. When you read the account of Jews in Nazi Germany they kept hoping that they were only going to a place for a short time. Of course they were lied to. Hitler demonized the Jews and you can see the media is demonizing Christians and whites. If Americans don't wake up then we're going to see a genocide of Christians in this country.

It's already happening to elderly Americans. I know someone who works in a pharmacy who told me elderly Americans stand at the counter crying because they can't afford the $2,000.00 copays for diabetes medication. They're sent home to die. But foreigners are put on Medicaid and get everything paid for. It's a genocide of elderly middle-class Americans who paid into the system and now on Medicare they can't afford critical medication. It happened to a friend of mine. She called me upset that she couldn't afford her cancer medication that was $1,000 a pill. I wish I had been a wiser friend. I dismissed her and said surely she could find a way to have them reduce the price. How naive I was. It's an unyielding system - I experienced it later. My friend stopped talking to me and then a mutual friend came to my house to tell me she had died. I knew she killed herself - we'd had discussions about it.

I was ready to undergo a crucial operation and the hospital refused to go through with it after I was prepped unless my husband paid the hefty copay. That same hospital was packed with foreigners running up multimillion dollar hospital bills for TB on Medicaid. My husband had to hustle to come up with the copay. If he hadn't paid I would have been sent home to die.

So there is a genocide of elderly in America right now that no one is talking about.

The words penned in Gulag Archepelago hold relevance:

Remember Solzhenitsyn’s words in the GULAG ARCHIPELAGO: “Resistance should have began right there but it did not begin. You aren’t gagged, you really can and you really ought to cry out that arrests are being made on the strength of false accusations. If many such outcries had been heard all over the city would arrests have no longer have been so easy.”

They, the tyrants, can’t work in the public eye. Those people who were so apathetic, hoping that nothing was really wrong, that nothing would happen to their persons and property, sat back and watched.

If you think that all (that) is necessary is to pay your bills, to go vote when there is an election, and to stand back during the rest of tht year and watch as your country and way of life are replaced by a system in which you will be a slave in a concentration camp, you – not the conspirators – are guilty because you, by silent acquiescence, invite tyranny and oppression.

 

[saintrose]

Who you calling lackadaisical?

A general lackadaisical attitude among Christians.

 

[saintrose]

Be careful be very careful in what you see to believe.

Satan has disguise his intent as racism, feminism, gender identity, entitlement.

A disease is not known only by it's symptoms. Symptoms are treated and if relieved one may think they are cured.
But the disease remains and grows.
A new world order is man's pursuit. A order in which man is in charge of his destiny.
Hearts have waxed cold, minds have been polluted, family's have been broken, God has been replaced.
Stand steadfast in your faith, fasting and prayer are the weapons of the righteous.
The sword of truth will have it's way. God's grace is only given to the humble. The proud will fall.

There are many that join the cause not knowing what it is but only to cause destruction and chaos.
These are the ones that we have a right to defend ourselves against.
But when it comes to whom we will serve......may the Holy Spirit be upon us.

I think that prayer is essential right now - evil is in our face. I also agree with you that people should fast. It's very hard - I have fasted but twice I've had breakthroughs.

 

[saintrose]

The moment I can see [intent] in someone's eyes means trouble. From then on, it's attentive reaction to perceived action. Rules of Engagement have left the building at this point.


At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

You are very wise to look in the eyes - the mirror of the soul.

 

[saintrose]

" Turn the other cheek " was not aimed at the Church .

Unsure what you mean?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

A general lackadaisical attitude among Christians.

I caught your meaning & was just having a laugh. I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I hope that's OK.

 

[saintrose]

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

A Christian is to never fight physically or verbally no matter the situation.

Jesus said do not resist evil which is physical but we resist evil spiritual which resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God said do not fight back when the world attacks the Christians for however they fight back it will come upon them and they are acting like the world which is the patience and the faith of the saints to endure it.

2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

Paul did not fight back when they were going to take his life.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

The saints are to endure persecution and never fight back even when their life is at stake.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

God will deal with the world when they persecute the saints, or any affliction they give them, and the saints are not to avenge themselves.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

People that know the truth do not fight back when their life is on the line.

God is in control and nothing can happen unless God allows it so if someone is persecuted even when threatened with their life then they cannot fight back for what God allows to happen you cannot fight against it.

They could not touch Jesus until He was ready to give His body to shed blood for salvation so no one can touch a saint unless God allows them.

Some people believe they can fight back but they cannot for they have to be different than the world, and God is in control and nothing can happen unless He allows it, and He said vengeance is mine so He will repay the people that persecute the saints whether physical harm or trying to take their life.

But even people that believe the truth might have a hard time to abide by it for they would want to fight back.

I believe I would fail and want to fight back but I would repent.

Some people in the truth do not want to take physical punishment or lose their life, or see their family and friends suffer or lose their life.

Some people in the truth do not want to appear as a wimp, or a sissy, by not fighting back when someone wants to kick the crap out of them especially in a society like America which is so worldly oriented and many do not follow God, or are hypocritical.

You gave the Scriptures that I puzzle over. I live with a high level of pain and it's intolerable at times. I do mean intolerable - so I have a foretaste of what's coming. So when they're torturing your loved one or leading you to a guillotine you're going to stand back and watch?

You may want to look at the Armenian genocide where young Christian women were stripped, raped, and hung on crosses to die.

I just don't know if never fighting back is what we're called to do. I've seen Christians do terrible things and then use Scripture to try to induce others to bear the pain, saying "they're supposed to forgive!" So I worked out in my own beliefs that there are some sins that are so ugly and so repulsive that forgiving would be an injustice to the victim. In some cases turning the other cheek just could not be done. The evil was too great. That's why we have laws that lock people up who think they should be allowed to inflict their evil onto others. Although there are evil people who are never prosecuted.

So I'm still hammering out what I think we're called to do. I know the verses but I also know that continually allowing others to step on you only emboldens them. I had an incident with corruption where extended family and a corrupt lawyer tried forcing me to sign a document altering a will. I tried very hard to turn the other cheek. All it did was emboldened them. The more I tried to be kind the meaner they got. It was only when my spirit rose up within me and I stopped turning the other cheek that they stopped their bull.

I never felt convicted by God for not turning the other cheek. I felt like I did the right thing under the circumstances. They should have been prosecuted but likely will never be because of their connections.

So it's something I've wrestled with. I've seen shows about the alleged old-time Christian sects where turning the other cheek was practiced and the men refused to lift a finger when their wives and daughters were abused. So you endorse this?

It's a tough call.

 

[saintrose]

I caught your meaning & was just having a laugh. I wasn't trying to be confrontational. I hope that's OK.

That's okay! No harm no foul

 

[saintrose]

Hey Rose I haven't seen you in a good while.
For me personally I am not the violent type except when it comes to the protection of others if I am being attacked I have no interest in fighting back but if I see others being attacked I will risk my life to defend them
To be honest ever since I met God when I see others being attacked I change from my docile meek self, something about the protection of others just draws a different person out of me. I don't think it is a sin to fight if done for the right reasons

Hi Blain -how have you been? Yes I have been doing other things.

Yes I think it's a natural instinct to protect those you care about. I just don't know if we're called to turn the other cheek at all times. It's been something I've wrestled with to be honest.

 

[throughfaith]

Unsure what you mean?

Its not instruction for the body ,the church. But rather its a kingdom instruction ..You would turn the other cheek with Jesus on the throne.

 

[KingdomBrat]

Hi Blain -how have you been? Yes I have been doing other things.

Yes I think it's a natural instinct to protect those you care about. I just don't know if we're called to turn the other cheek at all times. It's been something I've wrestled with to be honest.

What kind of [scene] do you think it was when Yeshua started screaming and yelling at the "Merchants" while shoving and pushing over their tables that were set up for their business in the physical Temple of God? While Christ was still alive, so was [Daily Sacrifice] in the Temple offered to their Elohim. And Merchants set up shop along the Temple steps and corridors. Watching Yeshua [go off] on them must've been a real cheek turner..

 

[Blain]

Hi Blain -how have you been? Yes I have been doing other things.

Yes I think it's a natural instinct to protect those you care about. I just don't know if we're called to turn the other cheek at all times. It's been something I've wrestled with to be honest.

Honestly I wish I could say I have been doing good the spiritual attacks and storms have been so very intense devistatingly so I honestly sometimes reach the point when I just wish I could give up and stay down but sadly I always instinctively get back up
But there is a saying that there is a time and place for everything the holy spirit is the key to knowing this when I am confronted in such a situation like that which is very rarely he always seemes to take over there are times when I will stand up to a person twice my size to protect someone and other times I will turn the cheek
I always say how important it is to havre a very close and intimate relationship with God because in this we learn to know and act upon his voice as if by instinct

There is also the fact that different situation require different solutions sometimes he calls us to be his defenders and warriors other times he wants to fight for us personally though I don't think it wise to either be the fighter all the time or turn the cheek all the time rather it is more about what the spirit saays to do and to act on it

 

[MattforJesus]

You gave the Scriptures that I puzzle over. I live with a high level of pain and it's intolerable at times. I do mean intolerable - so I have a foretaste of what's coming. So when they're torturing your loved one or leading you to a guillotine you're going to stand back and watch?

You may want to look at the Armenian genocide where young Christian women were stripped, raped, and hung on crosses to die.

I just don't know if never fighting back is what we're called to do. I've seen Christians do terrible things and then use Scripture to try to induce others to bear the pain, saying "they're supposed to forgive!" So I worked out in my own beliefs that there are some sins that are so ugly and so repulsive that forgiving would be an injustice to the victim. In some cases turning the other cheek just could not be done. The evil was too great. That's why we have laws that lock people up who think they should be allowed to inflict their evil onto others. Although there are evil people who are never prosecuted.

So I'm still hammering out what I think we're called to do. I know the verses but I also know that continually allowing others to step on you only emboldens them. I had an incident with corruption where extended family and a corrupt lawyer tried forcing me to sign a document altering a will. I tried very hard to turn the other cheek. All it did was emboldened them. The more I tried to be kind the meaner they got. It was only when my spirit rose up within me and I stopped turning the other cheek that they stopped their bull.

I never felt convicted by God for not turning the other cheek. I felt like I did the right thing under the circumstances. They should have been prosecuted but likely will never be because of their connections.

So it's something I've wrestled with. I've seen shows about the alleged old-time Christian sects where turning the other cheek was practiced and the men refused to lift a finger when their wives and daughters were abused. So you endorse this?

It's a tough call.

I did not say I would not fight back or save someone only pointing out scriptures, but I will repent if I do fight back or hurt someone.

Nothing can happen unless God allows it so if they are persecuted, or tortured, then God is allowing it and Paul said the Lord delivered him from distress, persecution, and death.

So there must be a reason that they are having afflictions and if God does not stop it then He allows it so who are we to stop it and go against God who allows it.

They could not touch Jesus until the time came for Him to give His body, and He always escaped them which is the same promise to all saints.

Jesus never fought to save His life or the life of anyone else and He is our example, and concerning the people in the temple when Jesus overthrew the tables the cords were to chase out the animals not hit the people.

We might have persecution, and death, and the Lord might allow it, and He might deliver us from it, but we are to allow God to handle the situation which He says do not avenge yourselves but He will repay.

Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

When the world attacks the Christian they are not to fight back for however they fight back it will come back on them.

2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

If a Christian cannot defend them self but must endure afflictions and not fight back even when facing death for they are to be different from the world that fights then how can they save someone else and physically hurt the attacker.

We cannot save our self if physically abused because we cannot hurt anyone so how can we save someone else and hurt someone for we are a person like them.

God does not want us to hurt anyone regardless of how they act and He will take care of the situation in judgment if they do not repent.

But many will fight and fail but they can repent.

The Bible says all that will live godly will suffer persecution for being a Christian and that persecution can come in different ways but they have to endure it.

Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.