ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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Thanks for this post. It is probably the most accurate piece of information about vaccinations that has been posted on this site. Unfortunately, the so called end of times experts here won't listen to a word of it.

I'm looking forward to the availability of vaccinations. I really miss our senior citizens who can not safely attend church.
By calling other believers the "so called end times experts" you are placing yourself above them as if you are the sole interpreter of truth.
 

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I've heard this said: to those who want to get the vaccine: you should.

Those who don't want to get it have the right to decide what goes into their bodies.
 

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Just saw this article today where Moderna's CEO, Bancel, said: I believe SARS-Cov-2 is going to stay with humans forever,” Bancel said in an interview with Yahoo Finance Live. “We're going to have to have boosts adapted to a virus, like we have for flu. It's the same thing, they are both mRNA viruses, and we're going to have to live with it forever.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coro...ay-with-us-forever-moderna-ceo-224622557.html

Just as I thought...it will never end. And JUST like the flu shot, it's going to be given every year. Maybe a couple times a year. Only unlike the flu shot, it will (eventually) be required.
No it's not going to end.

I'm not sure of what is coming next but if I could take a guess it would be martial law so they can seize weapons.
 

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Personally I’m not too fond of Taylor Swift’s music, but that’s because I’m more of a fan of Hank Williams Sr. Taylor Swift’s music is way too modern in my opinion. But I’m purdy sure she ain’t no satanist.
I read on transvestigation that she is really a he. I don't know if it's true or not - I just read it.
 

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I honestly feel sorry for those that do not have the discernment to see the lies of this man:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/bill-gates-defends-dr-fauci-from-evil-conspiracy-theorists/
One of the biggest errors that I see among Christians is lack of discernment. Our former pastor asked the church to pray for the Bush family because "he calls himself a Christian."

Any Christian should know that the devil and his followers lie. How many people did Bush bomb into oblivion?
 

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Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist. "Any reasonable argument that cannot be refuted must be part of the conspiracy" The "fingers in the ears syndrome"
"Conspiracy theorist" was a term invented by the CIA to discredit those who were smart enough to see through the lies they told.

Do your homework.
 

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One of the biggest errors that I see among Christians is lack of discernment. Our former pastor asked the church to pray for the Bush family because "he calls himself a Christian."

Any Christian should know that the devil and his followers lie. How many people did Bush bomb into oblivion?

the church needs to wake up and stop supporting things that they should not.

too many pastors and leaders watching too much mainstream ( lying ) media.
 
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By calling other believers the "so called end times experts" you are placing yourself above them as if you are the sole interpreter of truth.
I realize it will not change your mind but for those who do appreciate facts I will respond with my "homework":

The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as "the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an unexplained event". It cites a 1909 article in The American Historical Review as the earliest usage example,[34][35] although it also appeared in print as early as April 1870.[36]


But I do find it rather humorous that the phrase "conspiracy theory" has it's own conspiracy theory. :ROFL:

Also this is rather telling:

Conspiracy theories resist falsification and are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and an absence of evidence for it are re-interpreted as evidence of its truth,[6][7] whereby the conspiracy becomes a matter of faith rather than something that can be proved or disproved.[8][9] Research suggests that conspiracist ideation—belief in conspiracy theories—may be psychologically harmful or pathological[10][11] and that it is correlated with psychological projection, paranoia and Machiavellianism.[12] Psychologists attribute finding a conspiracy where there is none to a mental phenomenon called illusory pattern perception.[13][14]

Apophenia (/æpoʊˈfiːniə/) is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things.[1] The term (German: Apophänie) was coined by psychiatrist Klaus Conrad in his 1958 publication on the beginning stages of schizophrenia.[2] He defined it as "unmotivated seeing of connections [accompanied by] a specific feeling of abnormal meaningfulness".[3][4] He described the early stages of delusional thought as self-referential, over-interpretations of actual sensory perceptions, as opposed to hallucinations.[1][5]
Apophenia has come to imply a human propensity to seek patterns in random information, such as gambling


See also:
Did the CIA Invent the Term ‘Conspiracy Theory’? (snopes.com)
 
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the church needs to wake up and stop supporting things that they should not.

too many pastors and leaders watching too much mainstream ( lying ) media.
My pastor does not talk about the news or world views. He preaches the Bible and talks about the churches mission. Church should be the place you can go to hear what the Scriptures say not what talking heads on both sides of political discussions are saying.
 

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It's good to hear others' viewpoints on this. I know the RCC is something but I've heard different interpretations. Did you have a particular bible study that taught this?
You will not find "a particular Bible study" on the subject I discussed in my post. One has to dig these things out personally. Why?

As I wrote earlier, the United States and its Christian publishing houses are ALL in lock step with Vatican FUTURISM. (America is the Earth Beast of Revelation that supports the Sea Beast, the RCC). (1) Even the popular Scofield chain link study Bible is riddled with the cancer of RCC doctrines.

In the mid-19th century John Nelson Darby, an American with no formal theological education, refurbished RCC FUTURISM and published it under the pseudonym of DISPENSATIONALISM. His doctrines, popularly accepted in an era of booming occult spiritism, include all the Catholic doctrines in a form Protestants could swallow. Evangelist D.L. Moody bought it as did Bible publisher Cyrus Scofield. Scofield's accepted RCC doctrine is imbedded in the chain link references printed in his version of the Protestant Bible where it remains to this day. The spiritual debauchery is everywhere.

I received a Masters degree in theology in my younger years, which basically means nothing to anybody. The education did give me the tools to dig out some of the truth found in the Bible and to scrape away the doctrinal cavities in the same way a dentist drills out a bad tooth. Like a dentist's work, this task has to be performed with rigid attention paid to tiny issues - a bit at a time.

If I were to suggest a study it would be a course on HOW TO study. Simply reading a regurgitated tome written by some adherent on one side of the issue or the other isn't sufficient. One has to learn how to sift through the Bible itself. It's not really that difficult. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to do it. Unfortunately, most Christians are either too lazy or too Biblically illiterate to perform the one or accept the other.

If I were to suggest a starting point for study it would be the Torah (or Pentateuch for all those Christians who hate Jews, Jewish terminology and Jewish LAW). A rose by any other name would still point to the first five books of the Bible. Absolutely every question that arises in the New Testament has its origins and answers in Torah.(2)

"I did not come to abolish the LAW (Torah), I came to fulfill it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

Returning to the subject of this thread, the Biblical answer to the Mark of the Beast is allegiance to the doctrines of Rome and its teaching of salvation by Works. This is the meaning of the mark on the forehead and hand - mental acceptance and work by hands.

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(1) One of the really odd descriptions of the Earth Beast in Revelation is that it has two horns. Other prophetic beast descriptions have multiple horns or multiple aggregations of leadership. Is it a coincidence that the United States has two political parties that share leadership? Consider that EVERY other nation on earth has either a single party in charge or multiple parties to deal with. Only America has only two.

(2) Bear in mind TWO LAWs are being discussed by Jesus & the apostles. One is Torah, by which they all lived and honored and died. The other is Talmud, Babylonian law, conceived in an environment of Works. Jews today still embrace this law of works. Jesus, a Karaite Jew by today's standards, rejected it completely - embracing the LAW of GRACE outlined by Torah. Post Protestant Christians aren't even aware of the difference, hence they run and do not walk into error.
 

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My pastor does not talk about the news or world views. He preaches the Bible and talks about the churches mission. Church should be the place you can go to hear what the Scriptures say not what talking heads on both sides of political discussions are saying.

well, i bet that if your pastor did a series on demons, witches, and mark of the beast/endtimes, then half of ya'll ( at least) would stop going.

all of those are 100% Biblical, and most Christians do not even believe they exist...
 
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My pastor does not talk about the news or world views. He preaches the Bible and talks about the churches mission. Church should be the place you can go to hear what the Scriptures say not what talking heads on both sides of political discussions are saying.
I'd be willing to bet you a few dollars that your pastor does NOT preach the Bible.

There are two forms of sermon: scriptural & topical.

A scriptural sermon uses scripture throughout as an outline. The sermon follows the quoted scripture line by line. It's much like a formal Bible study or lecture. This style is generally not used because pastors consider it too boring for the congregation to handle.
A topical sermon is technically NOT Bible preaching because it tends to wander away from scripture to make its own point. A topical sermon uses scripture -quotes- to support its assertion, not scripture directly.

For instance, topical sermons were popular in pre-Civil War southern congregations to support slavery. They are used today to justify non-Biblical life styles. This being said, a topical sermon is the most popular type being employed by preachers today. It avoids unpleasant Biblical truths and references to Biblical LAW. They usually appeal to the congregation to inspire donation$ rather than spiritual growth. (When was the last time you heard a sermon series on Repentance?)

Church "missions" are general pitches to the congregation to cough up money to support exaggerated programs that do next to nothing to spread the gospel. When was the last time your church, or any church you know of, supported a major effort to present the gospel to your community. The days of Billy Graham type evangelistic efforts that filled sports stadiums are over. The days of the traveling tent revivals are over too. Modern calls for ministry funding only serve to empty the pockets of congregations - to shear the sheep of their personal wool so to speak.

The true mission of pastors is and ought to be to SPEAK AGAINST the excesses of society and to PROMOTE THE GOSPEL.

"If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discernment, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in Christianity, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that their very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it."
- Charles Finney

IRS code 501.c.3 has effectively muzzled our pastors via the threat of removal of tax exemptions. Ask your pastor about this. He'll tell you the same thing.

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well, i bet that if your pastor did a series on demons, witches, and mark of the beast/endtimes, then half of ya'll ( at least) would stop going.

all of those are 100% Biblical, and most Christians do not even believe they exist...
I beg to differ - slightly. Christians DO believe such things exist. They just pay too much attention to them

Post protestant American Christians have an unhealthy interest in the occult. They buy books and magazines and "studies" about it to such a degree that publishers can barely keep up with demand. A very popular author and speaker on such subjects was Derek Prince. Most of what he wrote is bogus, but he had a way of presenting it that infatuated the imagination and attracted devotees.

C.S. Lewis once wrote that Christians ought to be aware of the devil, but not so interested that they loose sight of the gospel.

Christians are so inebriated with occult doctrines they don't even know the difference between the Lordship of God and global authority of Lucifer. For example, who gave this authority to satan? It wasn't God. Read genesis 3 and you'll find out who did.

Post Protestant Christians are far too convinced of Roman Catholic doctrine to hold a clear and accurate view of Christian occult issues.

US General Ulysses S Grant, upon assuming command of the Union army during the civil war held a meeting with his subordinate generals. For many minutes he listened to complaints from them about Confederate General Robert E. Lee who had led his army to victory in many battles against Federal forces. Finally General Grant had had enough. "You say Bobby Lee did this to us and Bobby Lee did that to us. I'm tired of hearing what Bobby Lee did to us. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE WILL DO TO HIM."

Is this not the attitude Christians ought to have about our spiritual enemy? We don't need a series on occult personalities. We need a series on THE LAW (Torah or Pentateuch or 1st 5 books of the Bible). It is there the true nature of spirituality is gleaned. It is there, believe it or not, that GRACE will raise its beautiful head and instruct us on how to live before God - who is our captain and our protection against all the devices of the enemy.

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I'd be willing to bet you a few dollars that your pastor does NOT preach the Bible.

There are two forms of sermon: scriptural & topical.

A scriptural sermon uses scripture throughout as an outline. The sermon follows the quoted scripture line by line. It's much like a formal Bible study or lecture. This style is generally not used because pastors consider it too boring for the congregation to handle.
A topical sermon is technically NOT Bible preaching because it tends to wander away from scripture to make its own point. A topical sermon uses scripture -quotes- to support its assertion, not scripture directly.

For instance, topical sermons were popular in pre-Civil War southern congregations to support slavery. They are used today to justify non-Biblical life styles. This being said, a topical sermon is the most popular type being employed by preachers today. It avoids unpleasant Biblical truths and references to Biblical LAW. They usually appeal to the congregation to inspire donation$ rather than spiritual growth. (When was the last time you heard a sermon series on Repentance?)

Church "missions" are general pitches to the congregation to cough up money to support exaggerated programs that do next to nothing to spread the gospel. When was the last time your church, or any church you know of, supported a major effort to present the gospel to your community. The days of Billy Graham type evangelistic efforts that filled sports stadiums are over. The days of the traveling tent revivals are over too. Modern calls for ministry funding only serve to empty the pockets of congregations - to shear the sheep of their personal wool so to speak.

The true mission of pastors is and ought to be to SPEAK AGAINST the excesses of society and to PROMOTE THE GOSPEL.

"If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the public press lacks moral discernment, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it. If the world loses its interest in Christianity, the pulpit is responsible for it. If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it. If our politics become so corrupt that their very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it."
- Charles Finney

IRS code 501.c.3 has effectively muzzled our pastors via the threat of removal of tax exemptions. Ask your pastor about this. He'll tell you the same thing.

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Preach the Word. Not politics and conspiracy theories.
 
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Our bible study was canceled but it was due to the fear of the couple who held it in their meeting hall.

It might interest others to read The Gulag Archipelago. You might also want to recall what was done to the Armenian Christians. The women were all stripped, raped, and hung on crosses to die.

https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019...ting-islams-greatest-slaughter-of-christians/
The night of illiteracy, ignorance, fear and censorship is descending upon us.

A new dark age has arrived. Only those who hold dearly to Christ Jesus in spirit and truth will survive - and they will not fight alone for the Lord of Hosts will be with them.

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I beg to differ - slightly. Christians DO believe such things exist. They just pay too much attention to them

Post protestant American Christians have an unhealthy interest in the occult. They buy books and magazines and "studies" about it to such a degree that publishers can barely keep up with demand. A very popular author and speaker on such subjects was Derek Prince. Most of what he wrote is bogus, but he had a way of presenting it that infatuated the imagination and attracted devotees.

C.S. Lewis once wrote that Christians ought to be aware of the devil, but not so interested that they loose sight of the gospel.

Christians are so inebriated with occult doctrines they don't even know the difference between the Lordship of God and global authority of Lucifer. For example, who gave this authority to satan? It wasn't God. Read genesis 3 and you'll find out who did.

Post Protestant Christians are far too convinced of Roman Catholic doctrine to hold a clear and accurate view of Christian occult issues.

US General Ulysses S Grant, upon assuming command of the Union army during the civil war held a meeting with his subordinate generals. For many minutes he listened to complaints from them about Confederate General Robert E. Lee who had led his army to victory in many battles against Federal forces. Finally General Grant had had enough. "You say Bobby Lee did this to us and Bobby Lee did that to us. I'm tired of hearing what Bobby Lee did to us. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE WILL DO TO HIM."

Is this not the attitude Christians ought to have about our spiritual enemy? We don't need a series on occult personalities. We need a series on THE LAW (Torah or Pentateuch or 1st 5 books of the Bible). It is there the true nature of spirituality is gleaned. It is there, believe it or not, that GRACE will raise its beautiful head and instruct us on how to live before God - who is our captain and our protection against all the devices of the enemy.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

if you are not jewish, then the Torah is not commanded for you. it was for Israel only.

the N.T . instructions are for modern Christians.

hope you are not a Sabbath pusher....
 

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I beg to differ - slightly. Christians DO believe such things exist. They just pay too much attention to them

Post protestant American Christians have an unhealthy interest in the occult. They buy books and magazines and "studies" about it to such a degree that publishers can barely keep up with demand. A very popular author and speaker on such subjects was Derek Prince. Most of what he wrote is bogus, but he had a way of presenting it that infatuated the imagination and attracted devotees.

C.S. Lewis once wrote that Christians ought to be aware of the devil, but not so interested that they loose sight of the gospel.

Christians are so inebriated with occult doctrines they don't even know the difference between the Lordship of God and global authority of Lucifer. For example, who gave this authority to satan? It wasn't God. Read genesis 3 and you'll find out who did.

Post Protestant Christians are far too convinced of Roman Catholic doctrine to hold a clear and accurate view of Christian occult issues.

US General Ulysses S Grant, upon assuming command of the Union army during the civil war held a meeting with his subordinate generals. For many minutes he listened to complaints from them about Confederate General Robert E. Lee who had led his army to victory in many battles against Federal forces. Finally General Grant had had enough. "You say Bobby Lee did this to us and Bobby Lee did that to us. I'm tired of hearing what Bobby Lee did to us. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE WILL DO TO HIM."

Is this not the attitude Christians ought to have about our spiritual enemy? We don't need a series on occult personalities. We need a series on THE LAW (Torah or Pentateuch or 1st 5 books of the Bible). It is there the true nature of spirituality is gleaned. It is there, believe it or not, that GRACE will raise its beautiful head and instruct us on how to live before God - who is our captain and our protection against all the devices of the enemy.

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You excel at pointing out what YOU think Is wrong with what most “post Protestant Christians” believe and preach. And that they don’t preach, live, and proclaim the Gospel.


What do YOU think is the THE Gospel unto Salvation?
 
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if you are not jewish, then the Torah is not commanded for you. it was for Israel only.

the N.T . instructions are for modern Christians.

hope you are not a Sabbath pusher....
Very well. Then if I reject the LAW it is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of God for me to murder YOU, rape your wife, steal your goods and burn your house to the ground.....blaming YOU for the entire misadventure. Sounds like an aberrant middle eastern philosophy to me. Sounds like a philosophy totally devoid of the LAW.

When you assert Torah is for Israel only, you are proclaiming Roman Catholic doctrines of salvation by works. It isn't Biblical. It isn't Christian. IT IS NOT OF GOD.

No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God. - Romans 2:29

The NT principle here is that when a person is saved, they become a Jew in the eyes of God. They become adopted sons and daughters of the Most High of the same nature and enjoying the same spiritual benefits as the children of Israel. (Read the book of Hebrews)

The CATHOLIC doctrine demands those who are saved join the church (saved by works). The CATHOLIC doctrine proclaims that the church is israel or spiritual israel (known as Replacement Theology or Supersessionism). This is heresy according to accurate Biblical interpretation.

What is a sabbath pusher? If you are attempting to insult THE WORD OF GOD which according to the 4th commandment proclaims Saturday, not sunday as the day to observe worship of God, then yes. I am a sabbath pusher. Your remark, btw, stinks of anti-semitism. I object to your Jew hating rhetoric. It is typical of post protestant Xians (fake Christians). The post protestant church marches in lock step with Rome. The Vatican has defined sunday instead of Saturday as the Lord's Day IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF GOD'S LAW.

Saturday belongs to God.
Sunday belongs to the NFL.


We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

CATHOLIC doctrine holds that the Pope is god. Therefore everything the pope says is supposed to have the authority of the Most High. This is evidence of the anti-Christ if ever there was such evidence.

What does the Bible say about he who exalts himself to the throne of God?

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:4

What does the Catholic church itself proclaim about the Pope?

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.

Am I a sabbath pusher? YOUBETCHA
I follow God's LAW.
A better question is to ask if you follow the precepts of the devil's priest on earth?

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You will not find "a particular Bible study" on the subject I discussed in my post. One has to dig these things out personally. Why?

As I wrote earlier, the United States and its Christian publishing houses are ALL in lock step with Vatican FUTURISM. (America is the Earth Beast of Revelation that supports the Sea Beast, the RCC). (1) Even the popular Scofield chain link study Bible is riddled with the cancer of RCC doctrines.

In the mid-19th century John Nelson Darby, an American with no formal theological education, refurbished RCC FUTURISM and published it under the pseudonym of DISPENSATIONALISM. His doctrines, popularly accepted in an era of booming occult spiritism, include all the Catholic doctrines in a form Protestants could swallow. Evangelist D.L. Moody bought it as did Bible publisher Cyrus Scofield. Scofield's accepted RCC doctrine is imbedded in the chain link references printed in his version of the Protestant Bible where it remains to this day. The spiritual debauchery is everywhere.

I received a Masters degree in theology in my younger years, which basically means nothing to anybody. The education did give me the tools to dig out some of the truth found in the Bible and to scrape away the doctrinal cavities in the same way a dentist drills out a bad tooth. Like a dentist's work, this task has to be performed with rigid attention paid to tiny issues - a bit at a time.

If I were to suggest a study it would be a course on HOW TO study. Simply reading a regurgitated tome written by some adherent on one side of the issue or the other isn't sufficient. One has to learn how to sift through the Bible itself. It's not really that difficult. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to do it. Unfortunately, most Christians are either too lazy or too Biblically illiterate to perform the one or accept the other.

If I were to suggest a starting point for study it would be the Torah (or Pentateuch for all those Christians who hate Jews, Jewish terminology and Jewish LAW). A rose by any other name would still point to the first five books of the Bible. Absolutely every question that arises in the New Testament has its origins and answers in Torah.(2)

"I did not come to abolish the LAW (Torah), I came to fulfill it." - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

Returning to the subject of this thread, the Biblical answer to the Mark of the Beast is allegiance to the doctrines of Rome and its teaching of salvation by Works. This is the meaning of the mark on the forehead and hand - mental acceptance and work by hands.

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(1) One of the really odd descriptions of the Earth Beast in Revelation is that it has two horns. Other prophetic beast descriptions have multiple horns or multiple aggregations of leadership. Is it a coincidence that the United States has two political parties that share leadership? Consider that EVERY other nation on earth has either a single party in charge or multiple parties to deal with. Only America has only two.
(2) Bear in mind TWO LAWs are being discussed by Jesus & the apostles. One is Torah, by which they all lived and honored and died. The other is Talmud, Babylonian law, conceived in an environment of Works. Jews today still embrace this law of works. Jesus, a Karaite Jew by today's standards, rejected it completely - embracing the LAW of GRACE outlined by Torah. Post Protestant Christians aren't even aware of the difference, hence they run and do not walk into error.
I know the papacy used it's infiltrators and I know about the Rapture theory being invented by them. It's heavily promoted by many bible teachers. I also read about their being involved in Scofield's alleged false teaching. I can't recall all of what I read but I do recall the Jesuits being a part of it. I read that they may be at the top of all governments but I don't know. I know that Israel flies a satanic flag and most Christians don't question this. They say it's the star of David, but that's apparently another lie.

I have not read about RCC Futurism. It's hard to imagine that Moody would buy into it, but anything is possible. The more I learn the more I understand how complicated it is to find the truth; it's often hidden under layers upon layers of lies. It's almost a full time job sorting through it all to get to the truth. It's like Pilgrims Progress - a journey with many pitfalls along the way.

I'm reading through the Old Testament but I have to go very slowly.

What are your thoughts on Zionism? I read that's another lie being pushed by many evangelical churches.
 
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