What do you make of the fact that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire along with Death?
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Death and hades may be death and sheol. Sheol is the name of where people go when they are dead.
In reading all of the Word we our Savior was there, Sheol, but He was resurrected. According to many, while He was there He presented the Gospel to the Dead and many believed.. They will be raised coem Messiah' return. Maranatha.
In reading all of the Word we our Savior was there, Sheol, but He was resurrected. According to many, while He was there He presented the Gospel to the Dead and many believed.. They will be raised coem Messiah' return. Maranatha.
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When it says "Hell gave up those dead in it." strikes me as meaning that Hell isn't a place of "eternal" torment. It seems more like it's just where people go when they die then.The deeds they're judged about strike me as future deeds if you take Paul at his word "he who has died has been acquitted from his sin", and "the wages sin pays is death". You're a sinner, you get your wages, you die, you go to Hell. Pretty much sounds like everyone goes to Hell until they get resurrected. Makes it sound like Hell couldn't be a place of eternal torment. I mean the lake of fire isn't the same thing as hell, otherwise you get hell being thrown into hell.
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Those people who are dead and those people who are in hell. They come out to be judged as a way of declaring the just justice of God and then they are assigned to their eternal torment in the lake of fire. The worm of their torment never ends. There is eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth. They have some kind of reality that never stops being tormented. Forever. twenty billion years from now.. still screaming....
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Let's say I'm a fan of exegesis, but not eisegesis.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the LAKE OF FIRE. This is the second death.
When a person dies the second death, it sure looks to me like annihilation.
I'm more disposed to believe that life is a gift from God and that you can reject that gift, but if you do that it doesn't make sense that the gift would be forced on you. That's what some seem to be saying. It makes more sense that you would just be completely burned up and gone. Not that you would be in insane pain for all eternity. That would make no sense. No. These people rejected God and his gift of life, so no life for them - anywhere.
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the LAKE OF FIRE. This is the second death.
When a person dies the second death, it sure looks to me like annihilation.
I'm more disposed to believe that life is a gift from God and that you can reject that gift, but if you do that it doesn't make sense that the gift would be forced on you. That's what some seem to be saying. It makes more sense that you would just be completely burned up and gone. Not that you would be in insane pain for all eternity. That would make no sense. No. These people rejected God and his gift of life, so no life for them - anywhere.
That is a good and fair question.
At the opening of the 4th seal, death and hades are given authority over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth.
Then in Revelation 20:14, both death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is the place of eternal punishment, which is where Satan, the beast and the false prophet are thrown into, as well as every human being whose name is not found written in the book of life.
Death is a state of being with God. And Hades is a location under the earth which is the temporary place of the unrighteous dead.
However, since both death and Hades are being thrown into the lake of fire, which again is a place of eternal punishment, it would appear that both death and Hades are personified, i.e. there are two actual beings representing both death and hades.
"Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth."
"The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
At the opening of the 4th seal, death and hades are given authority over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth.
Then in Revelation 20:14, both death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is the place of eternal punishment, which is where Satan, the beast and the false prophet are thrown into, as well as every human being whose name is not found written in the book of life.
Death is a state of being with God. And Hades is a location under the earth which is the temporary place of the unrighteous dead.
However, since both death and Hades are being thrown into the lake of fire, which again is a place of eternal punishment, it would appear that both death and Hades are personified, i.e. there are two actual beings representing both death and hades.
"Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth."
"The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Man has two parts the flesh and the spirit . The body dies and decays into the earth , the spirit continues the wicked go to Sheol a place of torment for the wicked spirits who lives on earth
scriptures like this show us that those who died long ago in thier flesh , still coherently existed in a spiritual realm
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
what Christ died , he went and preached the gospel to those who had died in the floods of Noah’s day. Those who were in the spiritual prisons which God declared on the o.t. And foretold Christ would visit them after he came and died
“And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.”
Isaiah 24:22
those who had died before the mosaic law in the time of Noah were visited in the spiritual realm as a witness by Christ .
another further and better example to show that hell is current as is heaven while we still live on earth those who lives and died before us exist in two places
“There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.”
Luke 16:19-20, 22-30 KJV
many would say “ it’s not literal “ which I’m not sure I think it’s loteral
Either I believe it’s a teaching parable about what happens after we die and how that correlates to our life on earth .
further we see that while the men are in heaven and hell others are alive
And well
On earth but are fully unaware of the state of the other two
the man in hell is concerned for his loved ones , he wants them to know what he now knows . But everything is already set in place for salvation Gods word is final we have Christ on earth to believe and be saved or reject and be damned
God is not going to do anything more than what he has done to save us he already gave his life and made it as simple as accepting and believing his word who died for us
so the man is told it’s not possible , they have Gods word of they won’t believe that they won’t believe anything else even if a dead man rose and told them .
while this isn’t a historical account in my view , what it is is a teaching about heaven and hell .
there is a place where our living spirit goes now if we believe but we can’t get there until after we die in our flesh
“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
Luke 23:43 KJV
but if we reject truth we have a place where we must also wait as the rich man in the parable it’s current right now in the spiritual realms of heaven Jesus is on the throne and the church is gathered before him who have gone before
sadly there are others in Sheol who served wickedness and rebelled against truth they could not be saved .
but even in the spiritual place still they hear the gospel so even then there is hope until we hear and also believe
scriptures like this show us that those who died long ago in thier flesh , still coherently existed in a spiritual realm
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
what Christ died , he went and preached the gospel to those who had died in the floods of Noah’s day. Those who were in the spiritual prisons which God declared on the o.t. And foretold Christ would visit them after he came and died
“And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.”
Isaiah 24:22
those who had died before the mosaic law in the time of Noah were visited in the spiritual realm as a witness by Christ .
another further and better example to show that hell is current as is heaven while we still live on earth those who lives and died before us exist in two places
“There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.”
Luke 16:19-20, 22-30 KJV
many would say “ it’s not literal “ which I’m not sure I think it’s loteral
Either I believe it’s a teaching parable about what happens after we die and how that correlates to our life on earth .
further we see that while the men are in heaven and hell others are alive
And well
On earth but are fully unaware of the state of the other two
the man in hell is concerned for his loved ones , he wants them to know what he now knows . But everything is already set in place for salvation Gods word is final we have Christ on earth to believe and be saved or reject and be damned
God is not going to do anything more than what he has done to save us he already gave his life and made it as simple as accepting and believing his word who died for us
so the man is told it’s not possible , they have Gods word of they won’t believe that they won’t believe anything else even if a dead man rose and told them .
while this isn’t a historical account in my view , what it is is a teaching about heaven and hell .
there is a place where our living spirit goes now if we believe but we can’t get there until after we die in our flesh
“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
Luke 23:43 KJV
but if we reject truth we have a place where we must also wait as the rich man in the parable it’s current right now in the spiritual realms of heaven Jesus is on the throne and the church is gathered before him who have gone before
sadly there are others in Sheol who served wickedness and rebelled against truth they could not be saved .
but even in the spiritual place still they hear the gospel so even then there is hope until we hear and also believe
It is. Death and the grave are destroyed by Christ,
A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. Psa.97:3
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1Cor.15:26
Our Lord Jesus returns in fire that sets the heavens and earth ablaze. You could call it a lake of fire. His presence doesn't perpetuate the dead, but consumes them.
A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. Psa.97:3
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1Cor.15:26
Our Lord Jesus returns in fire that sets the heavens and earth ablaze. You could call it a lake of fire. His presence doesn't perpetuate the dead, but consumes them.
The second death could possibly be the unsaved are resurrected into a new body as the saved are too. But the saved will be on the new Earth while the unsaved have their new resurrected bodies thrown into the lake of fire. The physical will be gone but the torment of the soul will exist for eternity.
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There is an Angel of Death. Hell is probably more accurately understood as the Hebrew concept of Sheol versus the Greek understanding of Hades. Hades was a place where you went after you died. Sheol is what makes us mortal and causes our bodies to age and decline as it pulls us ever closer towards itself. From what I can determine, someone can also be in Sheol (the earth/the grave/a mindset) without experiencing physical death of their body. Sheol is like both a place and another name for the sinful nature. If we have accepted Yeshua (Jesus) as our Savior, then when our physical bodies die, our sinful natures are left behind in Sheol with our physical bodies. All that remains of us which is perfected by G*d goes to be face to face with the Creator.
Fallen angels are very real so I am not sure from where this 'they are just being personified' is coming. No, fallen angels do not look like horned bat winged creatures running around with pitchforks. Real angels do not look like what most artists depict them as in religious art. While they are capable of appearing human, they can appear quite alien to us. Yes, angels can appear to be someone riding on horseback if they choose. There is a level of Sheol where certain demons are imprisoned and they will be released at some point. The same goes for the dragon at the end of the thousand year reign of Yeshua (Jesus). When Revelation speaks of the four horsemen of the apocalypse and demons from the abyss accompanying them, there is no reason whatsoever for that text not to mean exactly what it says.
The lake of fire is Gehenna, the final judgement.
Fallen angels are very real so I am not sure from where this 'they are just being personified' is coming. No, fallen angels do not look like horned bat winged creatures running around with pitchforks. Real angels do not look like what most artists depict them as in religious art. While they are capable of appearing human, they can appear quite alien to us. Yes, angels can appear to be someone riding on horseback if they choose. There is a level of Sheol where certain demons are imprisoned and they will be released at some point. The same goes for the dragon at the end of the thousand year reign of Yeshua (Jesus). When Revelation speaks of the four horsemen of the apocalypse and demons from the abyss accompanying them, there is no reason whatsoever for that text not to mean exactly what it says.
The lake of fire is Gehenna, the final judgement.
..song Alpha and Omega...it is done.. praise GOD glory to JESUS!Anyway so "death" I get old or GOD FOR BID die early.. is that what death really is?
no. Where Satan and his angels are going and those that choose to follow him go was made or done before man was created. I look at my name written in the lambs book