Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[throughfaith]

Oh I did not know that Heaven and earth passed away already?




All must be fulfilled. We do not have a new Heavens or earth yet.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The point is ' till all be fulfilled. ' It was fulfilled by Jesus. until then heaven and earth would not pass .

 

[posthuman]

John 3:16 is the most powerful scripture about Christ that I know.

John 8:24 is pretty significant too

 

[laymen]

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The point is ' till all be fulfilled. ' It was fulfilled by Jesus. until then heaven and earth would not pass .

I just see it as the law will stand forever Mat 24:35. and All be fulfilled is relating to till heaven and earth pass.

 

[throughfaith]

I just see it as the law will stand forever Mat 24:35. and All be fulfilled is relating to till heaven and earth pass.

Seems odd to still need the law when you have christ ?

 

[throughfaith]

I just see it as the law will stand forever Mat 24:35. and All be fulfilled is relating to till heaven and earth pass.

Gal 3
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13¶Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

 

[throughfaith]

Seems odd to still need the law when you have christ ?

Gal 3
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19¶Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

[throughfaith]

I just see it as the law will stand forever Mat 24:35. and All be fulfilled is relating to till heaven and earth pass.

21¶Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3

 

[laymen]

Seems odd to still need the law when you have christ ?

Christ in a literal sense “fills up the law” makes it meaningful.
But does not do away with it.

21¶Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3

mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Mt 5:17). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

 

[throughfaith]

Christ in a literal sense “fills up the law” makes it meaningful.
But does not do away with it.

mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Mt 5:17). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Mat 5.17 is old testament before Jesus does what he says he's going to fulfill . " IT IS FINISHED " he cried.

 

[laymen]

Mat 5.17 is old testament before Jesus does what he says he's going to fulfill . " IT IS FINISHED " he cried.

Finished what God sent him to do on earth for sin. but Not finished in the since of him coming back.

 

[throughfaith]

Finished what God sent him to do on earth for sin. but Not finished in the since of him coming back.

of course.

 

[AlmondJoy]

I don't think I said anything that should make you speak with so much anger, but if I did I certainly didn't mean to.

I have been told that the reason Sunday keepers believe in Sunday is because Mary discovered that Christ had risen, and her discovery of that was on Sunday. So I mentioned that as one of reasons sabbath day was changed. I am sorry it made you so angry.

BLIK, you really have a gift. you was able to tell by my typing a post that i had so much anger!!!!
lol ......for some reason i'm starting to like you

 

[AlmondJoy]

Is that not the point.

All those things about not doing this or that on the Sabbath are not part of the 10 commandments. At lest how I read it.

I'M Sorry but can you not see the hypocrisy????

you come on here telling us to "keep the sabbath holy" BUT your just going to keep it your way and not the way God said to keep it.

imagine an Israelite telling Moses "I will go to the tabernacle on the sabbath but all those things about not doing this or that, I'm not following those"

how long would that man live?

James 2:10 (KJV)
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Exodus 35:2-3 (KJV)
2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

 

[mustaphadrink]

wanna talk about your screen name?

Wot 4?

 

[Blik]

Mat 5.17 is old testament before Jesus does what he says he's going to fulfill . " IT IS FINISHED " he cried.

The Lord is eternal, not old and new.

When Christi said it was finished, Christ finished and made perfect the sacrificial system that only used His symbolic blood. When it was finished the saints of the old testament who had been kept in sleep woke, came alive, and walked the streets of Jerusalem. Matt. 29:52-53.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I find today that the churches misunderstandings are this. They do not disciple the believers in their church. The believers are depandent on one person to teach them. The person teaching them has no idea what the scripture teaches outside of their deniminational bias. That means the congregation has a very narrow focus on everything then they try to convince others that what they say is the last word on truth.

I am sure you have noticed a few of them here.

 

[Rondonmon]

I find today that the churches misunderstandings are this. They do not disciple the believers in their church. The believers are depandent on one person to teach them. The person teaching them has no idea what the scripture teaches outside of their deniminational bias. That means the congregation has a very narrow focus on everything then they try to convince others that what they say is the last word on truth.

I am sure you have noticed a few of them here.

I don't think that's it tbh. It's more like the Pharisees vs. the Disciples, Jesus told the Disciples he choose BABES over LEARNED MEN, so he didn't have to get past their learnings/education/Men's Traditions. He told the Disciples that the Holy Spirit would give them what they needed to say at any given time, so the problem, via the Churches that have problems, not all do, of course, is......The ANOINTING is missing. Some are preaching who were not called to preach. Some are teaching who were not called to teach. Without the anointing, you can do nothing.

 

[throughfaith]

I don't think that's it tbh. It's more like the Pharisees vs. the Disciples, Jesus told the Disciples he choose BABES over LEARNED MEN, so he didn't have to get past their learnings/education/Men's Traditions. He told the Disciples that the Holy Spirit would give them what they needed to say at any given time, so the problem, via the Churches that have problems, not all do, of course, is......The ANOINTING is missing. Some are preaching who were not called to preach. Some are teaching who were not called to teach. Without the anointing, you can do nothing.

He told the disciples ( those men specifically) That at a specific time he would give them what they needed to say ( at that specific time ) .
Jesus made a distinction with the pharisees that things were hid from them due to their traditions ect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Seems odd to still need the law when you have christ ?

Not everyone has christ

the law is still a schoolmaster to them, not in practice but in word.

as paul said, how do they know what sin is, their guilt and what happens concerning sin, and further, how do they know what must be done for redemption (shedding of blood)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Christ in a literal sense “fills up the law” makes it meaningful.
But does not do away with it.

actually he did fulfill it, not only the moral law by never breaking it, but the sacrificial law by becoming the lamb of God

mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Mt 5:17). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

he did fulfill, in deed