Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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pittsburghjoe said:
Do you see what I did there? If Adam and Eve where physical before original sin ..they would have noticed fallen angels around them.
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Original sin? Who ever attributes it to angels?

News flash: Eve communicated with a fallen angel.

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What was this fallen reality like when only fallen angels were here before us?
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Please read your Bible. Creation was not corrupted until Adam sinned.
 
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Satan wasn't the only angel to fall. That tree was the link to the physical reality.
 
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Magenta said:
Original sin? Who ever attributes it to angels?

News flash: Eve communicated with a fallen angel.


Please read your Bible. Creation was not corrupted until Adam sinned.
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Oh, okay, lets pretend God didn't cast the fallen angels to earth before us.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Oh, okay, lets pretend God didn't cast the fallen angels to earth before us.
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You claimed earth was fallen when the angels were cast out of heaven, not me. I stand by the Biblical position. You do not.

Nor did I say the fallen angels were cast to earth.

Pretend all you want, but I will not take ownership of your nonsense. That's for you to own. Man up.
 
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Right, Satan is the only fallen angel here ::rolls eyes::
Earth became corrupt to humans when they entered this fallen reality.
 
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If you have a present state in your fallen reality, you are not going to detect an integrated reality that doesn't have one.
God's Kingdom is all future possible paths of causality.
A present state is decoherence. Decoherence causes physicality.
 
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Is the Good of the Garden the same Good in the Tree of Knowledge? If I say Good is Quantum Waves in our fallen reality, is Good also Quantum Waves in the Garden?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Right, Satan is the only fallen angel here ::rolls eyes::
Earth became corrupt to humans when they entered this fallen reality.
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How do you explain that God placed Adam in a Garden.? I can entertain the idea that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a fallen location and be the reason the serpent could be there.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Right, Satan is the only fallen angel here ::rolls eyes::
Earth became corrupt to humans when they entered this fallen reality.
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You make a lot of erroneous assumptions. They seem to come from your arrogance.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Is the Good of the Garden the same Good in the Tree of Knowledge? If I say Good is Quantum Waves in our fallen reality, is Good also Quantum Waves in the Garden?
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No. Also, it is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of knowledge.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
If you have a present state in your fallen reality, you are not going to detect an integrated reality that doesn't have one.
God's Kingdom is all future possible paths of causality.
A present state is decoherence. Decoherence causes physicality.
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Is present state defined as a moment without duration beginning or end?🤔
 
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God created the Universe without a present state, Original Sin caused one.
 
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How do you explain that God placed Adam in a Garden.? I can entertain the idea that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a fallen location and be the reason the serpent could be there.
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It's an interesting idea that the tree was where the two realities met.
Adam wasn't created with a present state ..the now ..physicality.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
It's an interesting idea that the tree was where the two realities met.
Adam wasn't created with a present state ..the now ..physicality.
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Consider the effect on perception the experience of life everlasting. Life without the sting of death. Life that isn't subject to the laws of survival.

Life without death is free of any fear of the future. No life threatening experiences from the past causing fear of the future. No baggage from the past.

In that state perception is no longer captive to future or past events. The human person is free to be present in the moment and remain. TO live in the present state as you would call it.
 
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