Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.
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John 12:48 does not apply to Christians. You are misunderstanding John ch 6. Find out the difference between the Day of Jesus Christ & the judgement Day of the Lord.
I have already posted a number of Scriptures re: the Day of Jesus Christ.
The PRE-TRIB Rapture is boilerplate doctrine. Extremely well represented and supported by Scripture.
I have already posted a number of Scriptures re: the Day of Jesus Christ.
The PRE-TRIB Rapture is boilerplate doctrine. Extremely well represented and supported by Scripture.
The tribulation will be a time of Gods judgement upon the wicked unsaved world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, were the Hebrews running scared "NO"!
The (Two Witnesses) will be in control of all plagues and judgement seen in the Revelation, representing Jesus Christ my Lord
(ALL PLAGUES AS OFTEN AS THEY WILL)
Revelation 11:4-6KJV
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
The (Two Witnesses) will be in control of all plagues and judgement seen in the Revelation, representing Jesus Christ my Lord
(ALL PLAGUES AS OFTEN AS THEY WILL)
Revelation 11:4-6KJV
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
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We're discussing 2 different things here, clearly. I completely agree with all you said on this. Christ sent His own disciples as Evangelists and Missionaries. The Gospel was there and the LAW was ended. I am just talking how it played out in reference to the Temple itself. God had no use for that. The Temple is our body. He swept through and completely changed the image. We both know had the Temple remained, the LAW ,and sacrifices would have continued to even now. God completely ended the way He dealt with His People. I am just looking at the entire scheme from now to then.
Sorry, I'm not sold on these opinions on this thread. How is the tribulation the wrath of God? Isn't the wrath of God the judgement on the lost and the lake of fire. The enemy is the one who is making war with the saints, not God. We should be prepared just like the apostles were prepared to endure suffering for the sake of Christ.
Christ is still God. when Christ was speaking and pointing out the subtle events to come about the Tribulation and His Second Coming, if He ever was planning to do a pre Rapture He would have mentioned it. Christ laid out the perfect chain of events to come. He would have definitely mentioned a Rapture.
There is one future final judgement of all, this will be performed by the Lords fire, (All Men's Works) 1 Cor 3:13
The Pre-Trib Rapture is a (Fairy Tale) of John N. Darby, and promoted by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible
Jesus Christ returns immediately after the future great tribulation, the resurrection of all and catching up takes place, as the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lords fire in (Final Judgement) the wicked are caught in it (Lake Of Fire)as the righteous pass through it to
The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, Eternity
The Pre-Trib Rapture is a (Fairy Tale) of John N. Darby, and promoted by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference bible
Jesus Christ returns immediately after the future great tribulation, the resurrection of all and catching up takes place, as the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lords fire in (Final Judgement) the wicked are caught in it (Lake Of Fire)as the righteous pass through it to
The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, Eternity
The Hebrews were safe from the wrath of God but they were not safe from the wrath of Pharaoh until God ended him.
During the tribulation Christians will not be facing the wrath of God but they will have to suffer the wrath of the enemy.
Who are those who don't take the mark? and what is their fate if not suffering? They will be beheaded or possibly starve because they will not be able to buy or sell.
Jesus gives a warning on things we will have to suffer in those day in Matt. 24
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
During the tribulation Christians will not be facing the wrath of God but they will have to suffer the wrath of the enemy.
Who are those who don't take the mark? and what is their fate if not suffering? They will be beheaded or possibly starve because they will not be able to buy or sell.
Jesus gives a warning on things we will have to suffer in those day in Matt. 24
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
The "Saints" represent the Two Witnesses being killed at the end of their testimony, as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds
Take close note, Gods divine protection of the Church in Rev 13:9-10, if any man have an ear let him hear, if they desire harm, it will be put upon them, "The Patience Of The Church" present on earth
It's going to be a Jesus Rules Tribulation, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, dont be deceived!
Revelation 13:7-10KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Revelation 11:7-8KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Take close note, Gods divine protection of the Church in Rev 13:9-10, if any man have an ear let him hear, if they desire harm, it will be put upon them, "The Patience Of The Church" present on earth
It's going to be a Jesus Rules Tribulation, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, dont be deceived!
Revelation 13:7-10KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Revelation 11:7-8KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
I disagree, the (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation through plagues, representing Jesus Christ on Earth
The wicked world will worship before the feet of the (Sealed) protected Church, dont be deceived
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Gods divine protection of the Church, open your ears!
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
The wicked world will worship before the feet of the (Sealed) protected Church, dont be deceived
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Gods divine protection of the Church, open your ears!
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
View it this way:
Christ knew All these events were going to happen. He said in Matthew He did not know when His Second Coming would be. But He is clear on the [Events to Come]. And Rapture (pre/mid] is not laid out as part of the [Events to Come] in either Matthew, Mark, nor Luke. The Rapture is the Second Coming.
Paul said we would change in the [twinkling] of the eye. Blink for me. Blink 5 times. See how fast that is? A twinkling is a Billion times faster. So [Faster] than Blinking the eye, we will be changed. This is why the Second Coming is the proper Rapture.
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Those who are deceived by the beast are those looking for an easy way out. They are not prepared to stand any suffering. He will perform many miracles, healings, and peace. Bringing a false sense of peace and safety. We know scripture says when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction. In my opinion, those that fall for the beast are those that are not willing to suffer for the sake of Christ.
Yes my body is the temple of Gods Spirit
However the discussion surrounds a veil being rent in a earthly temple in Jerusalem, at the death of Jesus Christ
The literal temple in Jerusalem, was destroyed at the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ (Gone), no more to be inhabited by the living God
This took place in 33AD, and has no connection to a claim of 70AD and a Roman siege and destruction
The old covenant was replaced by the (New Testament) in the shed blood upon Calvary,
Hebrews 9:11-17KJV
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
However the discussion surrounds a veil being rent in a earthly temple in Jerusalem, at the death of Jesus Christ
The literal temple in Jerusalem, was destroyed at the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ (Gone), no more to be inhabited by the living God
This took place in 33AD, and has no connection to a claim of 70AD and a Roman siege and destruction
The old covenant was replaced by the (New Testament) in the shed blood upon Calvary,
Hebrews 9:11-17KJV
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
God never promised there wouldn't be any suffering this life or in this world, but he did promise that at the end of this world there would be eternal life without suffering for those that believe in him and put their trust in him. He also promised judgement, eternal punishment, and eternal damnation for those that do not. That is the wrath of God.
You disregard the (Two Witnesses) controlling all plagues during the tribulation, why?
You disregard Gods words of protection below, why?
I disagree, the (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation through plagues, representing Jesus Christ on Earth
Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The wicked world will worship before the feet of the (Sealed) protected Church, dont be deceived
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Gods divine protection of the Church, open your ears!
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
You disregard Gods words of protection below, why?
I disagree, the (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation through plagues, representing Jesus Christ on Earth
Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The wicked world will worship before the feet of the (Sealed) protected Church, dont be deceived
Revelation 3:9-11KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
Gods divine protection of the Church, open your ears!
Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
You're overthinking my intent. Anything written in the Bible is a given like you're pointing out. I am discussing Jesus predicts 70 A.D. and the physical Temple to be destroyed. I am just pointing out from history with Rome in 70 A.D. and reading how Josephus described it what God's big intent and picture here allowed for the Gospel of Christ now moving into the Church Father era.
Those that are deceived by the beast/false prophet, taking the mark and worshipping the image are (Doomed) to the Lake Of Fire, no second chance!
Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The world will be deceived by (False Miracles) into taking the mark and worshipping the image
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The world will be deceived by (False Miracles) into taking the mark and worshipping the image
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
