Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.
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The key to the 7 angels and the 7 trumpets and the seven stars is that they are the "messengers of the seven churches" that Jesus holds in His hand from Chapter 1. Unless one transfers knowledge from the Old Testament to unlock Revelation, no one can possibly understand it.
The trumpets are messages for the Church, not the buildings, but the individual believers who are the Elect, the ones who have the "seal of God in their foreheads" - the word of truth, the gospel written in their hearts and minds by God and make up the completed Body of Christ (the Bride) in the last days.
The "stars that fall from heaven to earth" are metaphorical messages to His Church on earth during last 7 years.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars:...
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
The Greek word for bottomless pit described in Rev 9:2 is ABUSSOS which comes from the word bathos - meaning a place of depth of understanding and knowledge. Putting an alpha or "a" in front of it, converts bathos to the opposite meaning. This is the bottomless pit from Revelation - a place of NO KNOWLEDGE OR UNDERSTANDING . This is where Satan comes from, and it is where the false teachers and hirelings of our current "church" come from. And, I'm talking about almost every one of them.
These scorpions are told not to hurt the grass, or any green thing, showing they are not literal locusts, they are metaphorical.
God does not allow the false doctrines and false teachings of these church leaders to harm the true elect, who have the knowledge of the Gospel written in their foreheads (hearts and minds), but other than the elect, the rest of the earth will be completely devoid of truth, and filled with only lies. This is torture for the true children of God.
Obviously, this only scratches the surface.
But true is this, many, if not most, of the Saints going into the Tribulation will be put to death by antiChrist, many turned in by the leaders and members of the apostate churches, as Jesus said in Matthew. Only those who endure to the end, will spend eternity in the Kingdom of God with Jesus Christ:
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Conduct a study, find the Greek word for "Church" and see if you can find it ANYWHERE after the Lamb receives the scroll in chapter 5.
The Church is long gone and is represented by the 24 Elders in chapters 4 and 5.
Find out who it is that is doing the preaching after chapter 5.
Hint: all of them are Israelites, both the Two Witnesses in the hundred and 144,000.
Whatever happened to the Great Commission as it pertains to the Church? That task has been completed. It is inconceivable that the Church should be silenced in terms of preaching......unless of course they have been taken out of this world. Which Paul makes perfectly clear they WILL be in order to complete all prophecy. That being the Day of the Lord and GT wrath. That which the Church had been previously vouchsafed with a promise that they should not see That Day.
That is a perfectly seamless and flawless package my friend. All promises kept all prophecy fulfilled. All parties satisfied all judgment meted out.
The Church is long gone and is represented by the 24 Elders in chapters 4 and 5.
Find out who it is that is doing the preaching after chapter 5.
Hint: all of them are Israelites, both the Two Witnesses in the hundred and 144,000.
Whatever happened to the Great Commission as it pertains to the Church? That task has been completed. It is inconceivable that the Church should be silenced in terms of preaching......unless of course they have been taken out of this world. Which Paul makes perfectly clear they WILL be in order to complete all prophecy. That being the Day of the Lord and GT wrath. That which the Church had been previously vouchsafed with a promise that they should not see That Day.
That is a perfectly seamless and flawless package my friend. All promises kept all prophecy fulfilled. All parties satisfied all judgment meted out.
I'm not going to explain the details of what you are missing in your woefully flawed eschatology but I will provide you with this:
God Himself says that the GT is Gods wrath. Seven times explicitly (actually 9 times). The rest of the times implicitly but obviously.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=wrath&t=KJV#s=s_primary_66_1
Rev 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Rev 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
BTW.......Tribulation Saints are converts DURING the seven year GT. They definitely were not Christians when it (the time of Jacob's trouble a.k.a. the GT) arrives like a thief in the night.
Similarly the 144,000 are elected, commissioned and Spiritually activated DURING the GT.
ALL BELIEVERS WHO ARE LIVING at the time just before GT kicks off are RAPTURED.
Theoretically there will be NO believers on planet earth at the moment the Great Tribulation starts. Theoretically there may be converts five minutes after the GT starts (but more likely converts will begin to believe after the preaching of the 144,000)........but they will go through the GT and unfortunately be caught up in the devastating judgments. Most will suffer martyrdom. It seems to be that some will actually survive and populate the millenium.....these will be the gentiles that worship God on the earth during the millennium.
All the wicked die.......there are no survivors among them to populate the millennium.
God Himself says that the GT is Gods wrath. Seven times explicitly (actually 9 times). The rest of the times implicitly but obviously.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=wrath&t=KJV#s=s_primary_66_1
Rev 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Rev 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
BTW.......Tribulation Saints are converts DURING the seven year GT. They definitely were not Christians when it (the time of Jacob's trouble a.k.a. the GT) arrives like a thief in the night.
Similarly the 144,000 are elected, commissioned and Spiritually activated DURING the GT.
ALL BELIEVERS WHO ARE LIVING at the time just before GT kicks off are RAPTURED.
Theoretically there will be NO believers on planet earth at the moment the Great Tribulation starts. Theoretically there may be converts five minutes after the GT starts (but more likely converts will begin to believe after the preaching of the 144,000)........but they will go through the GT and unfortunately be caught up in the devastating judgments. Most will suffer martyrdom. It seems to be that some will actually survive and populate the millenium.....these will be the gentiles that worship God on the earth during the millennium.
All the wicked die.......there are no survivors among them to populate the millennium.
You are dead wrong about that. There are only Jews and gentiles remaining at the start the great tribulation. AFTER the GT begins THEN 144,000 Jews are elected for service, THEN converts believe and become GT saints.
The Great Tribulation stands alone. Call it a specific dispensation, very tightly constrained.
The age of the Church stands alone. Call it a specific dispensation, very tightly constrained.
The Great Tribulation stands alone. Call it a specific dispensation, very tightly constrained.
The age of the Church stands alone. Call it a specific dispensation, very tightly constrained.
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Biblically speaking, "the GREAT tribulation" consists only of the SECOND HALF (i.e. 3.5 yrs).
The Tribulation in its ENTIRETY *starts* back at the FIRST SEAL, when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (and Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 makes clear the the "future" aspect of the Book is describing "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"), i.e. the 7-yr trib yrs.
So yes, when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE," it will be similar to THESE PASSAGES:
Habakkuk 1 -
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans [/Babylonians], that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
[...]
12b [...] O LORD, thou hast ordained them [the Chaldeans/Babylonians] for judgment [i.e. to execute judgment]; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them [the Chaldeans/Babylonians] for correction.
Lamentations 2 -
3 He hath cut off in his fierce anger [LXX - orge G3709] all the horn of Israel:
he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy [i.e. lifting His RESTRAINT; see 2Th2:[7b-]8a ],
and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire [see 2Th1:8 "in flaming fire TAKING VENGEANCE ON" (and not merely for a split-second, nor a mere "24-hr day"
)],
which devoureth round about.
4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy:
he stood [see Rev5:6 when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" Isa3:13] with his right hand as an adversary,
and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion:
he poured out his fury [LXX - thymos / thumos G2372] like fire.
The Tribulation in its ENTIRETY *starts* back at the FIRST SEAL, when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (and Rev1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1 makes clear the the "future" aspect of the Book is describing "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"), i.e. the 7-yr trib yrs.
So yes, when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE," it will be similar to THESE PASSAGES:
Habakkuk 1 -
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans [/Babylonians], that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
[...]
12b [...] O LORD, thou hast ordained them [the Chaldeans/Babylonians] for judgment [i.e. to execute judgment]; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them [the Chaldeans/Babylonians] for correction.
Lamentations 2 -
3 He hath cut off in his fierce anger [LXX - orge G3709] all the horn of Israel:
he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy [i.e. lifting His RESTRAINT; see 2Th2:[7b-]8a ],
and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire [see 2Th1:8 "in flaming fire TAKING VENGEANCE ON" (and not merely for a split-second, nor a mere "24-hr day"
)],which devoureth round about.
4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy:
he stood [see Rev5:6 when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" Isa3:13] with his right hand as an adversary,
and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion:
he poured out his fury [LXX - thymos / thumos G2372] like fire.
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Luke 21 speaks to the 70 A.D. destruction AND the end time GT.
Matthew 24 is end time GT only.
Mark 13 is end time GT only.
The Church is never mentioned or even alluded to in ANY of these 3 accounts.
Time for you to hit the books my friend.......come back in a few months or even a few years.
You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about I'm sorry to say.
Matthew 24 is end time GT only.
Mark 13 is end time GT only.
The Church is never mentioned or even alluded to in ANY of these 3 accounts.
Time for you to hit the books my friend.......come back in a few months or even a few years.
You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about I'm sorry to say.
"AT/IN the last day" is what these verses say, and "the last day" is not merely "a singular 24-hr day" (so the texts are not saying "ON the last 24-hr day")
[ex. Jn6:39 is referring to THINGS (not a "bodily/physical 'resurrection' from being previously-bodily/physically-DEAD"), whereas 6:40 is referring to PERSONS; (also "raise" ≠ "Rapture")]
(so the texts are not saying "ON the last 24-hr day")[ex. Jn6:39 is referring to THINGS (not a "bodily/physical 'resurrection' from being previously-bodily/physically-DEAD"), whereas 6:40 is referring to PERSONS; (also "raise" ≠ "Rapture")]
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Technically that is correct the GT is in fact 42 months. I am apt to use the term GT for the entire seven years in order to dileneate this period of time as utterly distinct discreet and unique.
Only the newbies get confused the old timers understand that it's factually 42 months. It's just that it's very clumsy to swap between the terms Tribulation a GT constantly during the course of a conversation.
Only the newbies get confused the old timers understand that it's factually 42 months. It's just that it's very clumsy to swap between the terms Tribulation a GT constantly during the course of a conversation.