Why The Fruit Inspectors Get It Wrong - by Pastor Ralph Arnold

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Blackpowderduelist said:
I don't really understand what the arguement here actually is. However when you see what someone's actions actually produce you know who they are. That is what the scripture is talking about, you a tree by it's fruit. You know a person by what they produce. If they cause divisions, or trouble or stress, or do they produce productivity, unity, or peaceful resolutions.
It does not mean judge folks on their disposition, errors, actions in a moment of weakness. Nor does it mean; as Calvin used it, that they should inspect your homes and interrogate your family and neighbors to make sure you don't say or do anything that disagrees with his mandates.
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really? Who taught you calvin teaches this?
 
throughfaith said:
Yes they believe that its God who ' endures them to the end ' But in practise this is not exactly detectable. Do they just lay in bed waiting to be picked up and carried through the day? No they have to endure to the end. You gotta do the work . If you don't, why don't ya . An elect person would.
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Again, never heard one say this

if this was true, their eternally secure belief would be useless, and powerless, it would be a lie

again, you see only what you want to see, your hatred of them is well documented
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Hey brother, the man you are speaking to has been at war with calvinism since he arrived here, sadly he will not hear a word you say
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I.ll respond to Catholicism, Jehovah's_Witnesses, Mormonism, Islam ect. But so far since I've joined those topics don't come up often. Calvinism does . It comes up even though some claim there not a Calvinist. The theology is fairly dominant on here in one form or another.
 
throughfaith said:
An Arminian usually only sees Calvinism in light of 'dual,predestination theology ' . They don't see the other issues, because they have been influenced by the same overall theology .
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I venture to say most of the people we meet even in this chatroom, are neither calvinist or arminian

it is the outsiders who love to focus on this fight, that’s why in the end, nothing is solved because no one really understands them
 
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throughfaith said:
I.ll respond to Catholicism, Jehovah's_Witnesses, Mormonism, Islam ect. But so far since I've joined those topics don't come up often. Calvinism does . It comes up even though some claim there not a Calvinist. The theology is fairly dominant on here in one form or another.
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Most time calvinism comes up, it is you who bring it up, just look at all the anti calvin threads you have opened.

can you be honest for once? And own up to what you are doing?
 
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Amazingy when I think of fruit inspectors. Calvinism or any faith based group is the last that comes to my mind

What comes to my mind are works based groups who inspect fruit to prove one continues in salvation, who judge others, modern day pharisees who preach that salvation is not secure, but is losable, that we truly must continue to endure to the end faith plus works for our salvation to be complete. They reject eternal security, just truly faith based people as loving sin, and refuse to acknowledge their own sin, saying their own sin is not really bad because they do all these wonderful works.

this anti calvinist rant is really just making people look bad
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Most time calvinism comes up, it is you who bring it up, just look at all the anti calvin threads you have opened.

can you be honest for once? And own up to what you are doing?
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Why would i bring it up ,if i didn't see Calvinistic theology on here ? I've better things to do . On another Forum i had threads mainly on Catholics and cults .
 
John146 said:
I know many people who do great things but are lost.
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You didn't read what I wrote. It's not about doing great things. It's about the in general what your life produces. Basically of you produce the fruit of the spirit in your life and in your environment.
 
Blackpowderduelist said:
You didn't read what I wrote. It's not about doing great things. It's about the in general what your life produces. Basically of you produce the fruit of the spirit in your life and in your environment.
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Ok, I know many lost people who are joyful, patient, kind, etc...truly they are, but lost.
 
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throughfaith said:
Why would i bring it up ,if i didn't see Calvinistic theology on here ? I've better things to do . On another Forum i had threads mainly on Catholics and cults .
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Lol
so it is not you who continually open Anti Calvinist threads?
give it up man. Man up. Do I need to name them all for you?
 
Blackpowderduelist said:
It's what Calvin did. Read some history. Read about Geneva under Calvin. Read about 85 people killed and hundred exiled and why
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I was speaking of this comment you made
I think his sins are well documented and agree

Nor does it mean; as Calvin used it, that they should inspect your homes and interrogate your family and neighbors to make sure you don't say or do anything that disagrees with his mandates.

I have never seen or heard a Calvinist do this

I have seen many legalistic churches do this. But have yet to see a grace based church do this. Just saying
 
John146 said:
Look bad according to who? The truth hurts sometimes but is needed to unveil false beliefs.
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it is when it is nit true it makes you look bad
just because you think it is true does not make it truth
 
throughfaith said:
I don't know of anything good that Calvinism does that is not already done by non calvinists . It doesn't DO anything. It doesn't add anything. Its a waste of time and effort. The only thing its doing is confusing people and hindering the gospel .
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yea

crazy, who cares?
 
John146 said:
Ok, I know many lost people who are joyful, patient, kind, etc...truly they are, but lost.
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Yep, and they never sin and there are never consequences, and their lives are all sin shine and roses.
 
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