Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?
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Gnostics had one good idea ..that doesn't mean I have to be in their religion to consider what physicality means.
Do you really think he was talking about if he was in a body or not ..as far as what he could talk about? There are probably things a little more interesting than that up there.
He did not know and nobody is permitted to tell. About any of it. Only God knows. So...
Christ bodily ascended to heaven.
Waves as you call them, referring to the Schrodinger wave equation, are probaibility distribution functions.
Probability distribution functions ((of the type in the context of your musings)) are affected by / subject to entropy.
Look m8 I'm a physist and a believer. I do find your ideas interesting, just not credible. That's not a comment on you but on those ideas. I am glad you're here and that you've talking with us about this stuff - I thi k more believers ought to be interested in physics and math. But we have to get it right for it to be useful, and un my opinion these ideas aren't quite right. They're running afoul of the Bible and of physics in several places.
He don't care. According to him (OP), energy is sin, so either God has no energy which would render Him completely powerless and therefore nullify His status as Creator and Supreme Ruler of the Universe, or God Himself is sin. Yeah, his ideas are way off the mark. But, like, hey man, he don't care! He has delusions of grandeur = waking up millions of people with this phony baloney.
Fame is the last thing a Christian wants. I just want people to consider it. You're not getting what this fallen reality is about. It couldn't exist unless God made the quantum waves for it first. God didn't want us here in this mess. This is our fault.
I understand what this fallen reality is about a lot better than you do.
You have your head wrapped in warped vapors. Wrap it around the Bible for a change.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50
1 Corinthians 15:50
no.
Jesus was incarnated in the flesh. He died in the flesh. He rose in the flesh. He presented His the literal physical blood of His actual physical body on the altar in heaven. He ascended to heaven bodily; His flesh. He, bodily, in the flesh, will physically return one day. He is the firstfruits of the dead. we shall just like Him be bodily resurrected and bodily return with Him when He gathers us to Himself.
Elijah was taken up in the flesh. Elijah's literal, physical body was taken up in the whirlwind. he dropped his mantle behind him to Elisha, not his bones. 50 men searched for his body for 3 days, but it was no longer on earth. 2 Kings 2:15-18
Elisha told them not to bother, but they were stupid & unbelieving, and looked anyway. they found nothing.
don't be like those men.
may it be "as it is in heaven, on earth"
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(1 Corinthians 15:51-52)
if they had one good idea, it is not the notion that physical reality is evil by virtue of it being physical. that's ((part of)) what makes them heretics & false teachers.
they were/are obsessed with secret knowledge. maybe if they had one good idea it was that knowledge of God is life, tho that's not their own idea, it's John 17:3. God was manifest in the flesh. in Him there is no sin. God has all power. in Him is no sin.
Are you suggesting that Jesus and Elijah are floating around outer space? Of course there is point where they transition over to God's Kingdom.
do you think outer space is "heaven" ?
Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You!
(1 Kings 8:27)
(1 Kings 8:27)