Obedience is not Legalism, it is.....
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Here we have it folks
we have continue to work hard or our salvation will not be secure
this is not me mocking the need to be obedient, it is in trying to point out that this persons thinks he can save himself which in fact, makes his gospel a false gospel. And not from God
now because instate this, his first accusation in the op will be directed at me,
I am not excusing or condoning sin.
I am looking at reality, on my best day, I am worthy of death, no amount of repenting will make one iota of a difference, apart from Grace, I am dead where I stand.
everyone in this room has the same issue,as James said if we keep every word and even STUMBLE in one point we are guilty as charged, the penalty is death, no one here can claim they can go a week without stumbling at least one, in fact, I would say no one can say they can go a day with out stumbling in one point,
remember you stumble not willingly, but because you either were not paying attention or you tripped on something by accident
we have continue to work hard or our salvation will not be secure
this is not me mocking the need to be obedient, it is in trying to point out that this persons thinks he can save himself which in fact, makes his gospel a false gospel. And not from God
now because instate this, his first accusation in the op will be directed at me,
I am not excusing or condoning sin.
I am looking at reality, on my best day, I am worthy of death, no amount of repenting will make one iota of a difference, apart from Grace, I am dead where I stand.
everyone in this room has the same issue,as James said if we keep every word and even STUMBLE in one point we are guilty as charged, the penalty is death, no one here can claim they can go a week without stumbling at least one, in fact, I would say no one can say they can go a day with out stumbling in one point,
remember you stumble not willingly, but because you either were not paying attention or you tripped on something by accident
Obedience comes naturally as our relationship with him becomes deeper if Jesus is in our heart the law is also written on our heart but love fulfills the whole law this is common knowledge but as simple as this is as I am sure you have seen there are some who love to use grace as an excuse to do as they please and thus if you tell them about obedience they get into attack mode however you also have those who are so into obedience that it becomes their religion
Then there are debates on how to understand grace which I rest in yes I try to be obedient but if I fall I know I am in his love and grace this however seems to be complicated to people who have seen to many full gracers and you cannot explain to them what your saying on the other hand if you are to invested in being without sin as I know several people who believe we can be sinless you are then blind to your own sins and folly
I mean it isn't a hard concept Jesus madfe it pretty simple
Then there are debates on how to understand grace which I rest in yes I try to be obedient but if I fall I know I am in his love and grace this however seems to be complicated to people who have seen to many full gracers and you cannot explain to them what your saying on the other hand if you are to invested in being without sin as I know several people who believe we can be sinless you are then blind to your own sins and folly
I mean it isn't a hard concept Jesus madfe it pretty simple
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