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So you are asking me if people in a vegetative state can dream? I am not qualified to answer that one, dear.
They would have needed to be born again of the Spirit, just as we all do, to attain to life ever after.
All human beings are mortal, even Adam and Eve. Scripture says Adam was of the Earth, Earthy and that were have borne the image of that man.
1Co_15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co_15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co_15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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taylorswiftfan
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no, it was a rhetorical question directed to VickyK
if someone were to lose their ability to sense their environment completely but still maintain both their memories and ability to think, they would still be able to dream
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taylorswiftfan
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romans 5:12 seems to imply that death was brought into the world because of Adam's sin but my interpretation of that verse could be wrong ???
And? That does not mean they were immortal before that. They were both of the natural world.romans 5:12 seems to imply that death was brought into the world because of Adam's sin but my interpretation of that verse could be wrong ???
The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 1 Cor 15:46
They did not eat of the Tree of Life.
Me too. When one gets bumped on the head and goes UNconcious, it doesn't mean that my physical body has died. I remember falling off my swing once and perceiving twinkly stars. Does this shed any light on our perplexing deviation?
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taylorswiftfan
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if death was never brought into the world, then nobody would die
and if nobody dies, wouldn't that mean they live forever ???
They needed to be faithful and obey God to stay in Gods presence. When they got kicked out of the garden of Eden they couldn't eat from the tree of life and died as a result.
Life comes from God and we can eat of the tree of life if we are faithful to God. Sin means we can't eat of the Tree.
We are not immortal in and of ourselves, we do not have life in ourselves, Only God has eternal life. we are dependent on God for life second by second and day by day.
Sin = death
God = life.
we choose.
I'm afraid the death in that verse is a spiritual death not a physical death. Adam and Eve died the day they sinned but it was spiritual. The first death is a natural death because we are made as mortals. It is a spiritual death that sin brings. That's why the bible sometimes speaks of living people as dead because they don't have the kind of life salvation brings.
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taylorswiftfan
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That would be reading into the text what is not there.
Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world.
God knew which choice they were going to make.
There is no escaping the fact they did not eat from the Tree of Life.
Although some say the mere fact they were alive attested to them having done so.
But that is obviously incorrect.
Some of us are alive for quite some time before we become grafted into the True Vine.
And if we had not? We would be counted as dead, and suffer the second and final death.
Because as Jesus said, "You must be born again."
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taylorswiftfan
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does this mean that Adam and Eve would be immortal in the spiritual sense if they never sinned ???
All of us have immortal souls. It is the essence of our being. We were all created as immortal entities. When we die, we go up or we go down. Nobody just 'stops'. We need to be saved from death and the everlasting fiery lake.
No, because they were created mortal as all creations are. Nothing is created immortal but immortality can be achieved.
Scripture says God alone is immortal.
We attain to life ever after by grace through faith
Scripture says God alone is immortal.
We attain to life ever after by grace through faith
Agreed. That is when the souls will become immortal. No souls is immortal before that.