The word of God says you are saved by Grace Through FaithYes this is what we preach. Well , salvation is the free gift .
Acts 2:38 is speaking of those who have received repented, and affirmed the faith in Baptism Publicly
The word of God says you are saved by Grace Through FaithYes this is what we preach. Well , salvation is the free gift .
And then they can recieve the Holy Spirit ? Is this what we tell people today? And does this line up with Acts 3 ?
- they are having changed mind repenting of not accepting Jesus as the Messiah
- They are being baptized publicly announce they accept Jesus as the Messiah and were baptized to show they are now followers of HIM.
- the sins they are needing remission from is that of NO Faith
Yes Paul says that in Ephesians 2.The word of God says you are saved by Grace Through Faith
Acts 2:38 is speaking of those who have received repented, and affirmed the faith in Baptism Publicly
The point being the Acts 2:38 could not be only to the Jews because it is not only what Peter said. You are ending the context of Acts chapter two at verse 38. It is not only to the jews as said.And then they can recieve the Holy Spirit ? Is this what we tell people today? And does this line up with Acts 3 ?
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Yes Paul says that in Ephesians 2.
Acts 2 .38 has people being baptised before they recieved the Holy Spirit . Without the Holy Spirit is anyone saved yet ?
Who's Peter speaking to ? Gentiles or Israel ?The point being the Acts 2:38 could not be only to the Jews because it is not only what Peter said. You are ending the context of Acts chapter two at verse 38. It is not only to the jews as said.
Your being sloppy with the text there . Why is it a problem to believe what it says ?You are creating a methodology that is not seen as normative in scripture. 1 Must repent 2. must be baptized but Can receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism or after.
Peter is speaking at the time to the Jews but HE is applying to all as Acts 2:39 says. Again you don't stop at verse 38 when the context and more revelation are being provided. Jesus said in Acts 1:8Who's Peter speaking to ? Gentiles or Israel ?
Peter is not speaking to Gentiles..He doesn't even have that in his mind . Non of the disciples have it in their mind at that time. Peter needs 10 years after Acts 2 to figure it out. With a little help with a vision from heaven. Even then he protests. Its 10 years after Acts 2 before Peter gets the ideaThe point being the Acts 2:38 could not be only to the Jews because it is not only what Peter said. You are ending the context of Acts chapter two at verse 38. It is not only to the jews as said.
Peter is not speaking to Gentiles..He doesn't even have that in his mind . Non of the disciples have it in their mind at that time. Peter needs 10 years after Acts 2 to figure it out. With a little help with a vision from heaven. Even then he protests. Its 10 years after Acts 2 before Peter gets the ideaPeter is speaking at the time to the Jews but HE is applying to all as Acts 2:39 says. Again you don't stop at verse 38 when the context and more revelation are being provided. Jesus said in Acts 1:8
“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
This is in line with what we see in Matthew 28 and Mark 16 sent out to all But first to the Jews NOT only. TO ALL. Are you oness?
You think Peter is thinking Gentiles lol ?Peter is speaking at the time to the Jews but HE is applying to all as Acts 2:39 says. Again you don't stop at verse 38 when the context and more revelation are being provided. Jesus said in Acts 1:8
“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
This is in line with what we see in Matthew 28 and Mark 16 sent out to all But first to the Jews NOT only. TO ALL. Are you oness?
Not at all you are refusing to see the very next verse which speaks your Jews only Application.Your being sloppy with the text there . Why is it a problem to believe what it says ?
it does not matter that Acts 2:38 is not addressing the gentiles at that time Acts 2:39 does in context to ALL who so ever will be called.Peter is not speaking to Gentiles..He doesn't even have that in his mind . Non of the disciples have it in their mind at that time. Peter needs 10 years after Acts 2 to figure it out. With a little help with a vision from heaven. Even then he protests. Its 10 years after Acts 2 before Peter gets the idea.
Acts 11 .
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, THEN hath God ALSO to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to NONE but unto the JEWS ONLY !!!!
I never said Peter was a Gentile, but he was a Greek-speaking Jew.You think Peter is thinking Gentiles lol ?
5I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
THIS IS 10 !!! YEARS !!!! AFTER ACTS 2 .
It says to YOUR children. Who's Children? Peter is not thinking gentiles until ten years after this, and it's God who has to show him by the Cornelius event. The vision ect . Peter and the diciples are not in rebellion . Jesus told them not to go to the gentiles .it does not matter that Acts 2:38 is not addressing the gentiles at that time Acts 2:39 does in context to ALL who so ever will be called.
You are being legalistic and dogmatic of one verse. YOu see the message in Acts 2 as exclusionary, not a call for all to repent which is the Message of the whole Bible from Genesis to REV.
Peter is not talking to Gentiies. Read it .Not at all you are refusing to see the very next verse which speaks your Jews only Application.
Your statement here:
"I think my question is more reasonable. I have no issue with being water baptized after one is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ . My issue is with all this nonsense about Acts 2.38 being used for Gentiles.
Acts 2.38 is not for Jews or Gentiles today. It was specific for the Jewish audience Peter was addressing at that time. "
IS wrong Acts 2:38 is also for the Gentiles because Acts 2:39 says so.
The ACTS of the Apostles are recorded . The timeline is explained in the epistles also. It doesn't matter when it was compiled . The facts are the same. 10 YEARS AFTER Acts 2 is when the gentiles come in to the picture for Peter and the diciples . FACT .I never said Peter was a Gentile, but he was a Greek-speaking Jew.
Don't build strawmen ok, FYI Acts chapter 2:38 was not written the day it was recorded by Luke Sorry to tell you that LOL So that means very likely Acts chapter 2 and 10 were written on the same day years after they happened.
YOur point is mote.
read it again and you will see as many as the lord shall call and A FAR Off is speaking of those who are not Jewish and FYI Abraham was not a JewIt says to YOUR children. Who's Children? Peter is not thinking gentiles until ten years after this, and it's God who has to show him by the Cornelius event. The vision ect . Peter and the diciples are not in rebellion . Jesus told them not to go to the gentiles .
look at this verse in Acts 11 .
19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.JEWS ONLY ..how are you missing this?
if that is the case you have shot a big hole in your own position LOL. Truth is a higher form than factsThe ACTS of the Apostles are recorded . The timeline is explained in the epistles also. It doesn't matter when it was compiled . The facts are the same. 10 YEARS AFTER Acts 2 is when the gentiles come in to the picture for Peter and the diciples . FACT .
Peter is not talking to Gentiies. Read it .
14¶But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
22¶Ye men of ISREAL , hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 3 .
12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of ISRAEL , why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
Acts 4
8¶Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of ISRAEL ,
10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of ISRAEL , that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.