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EleventhHour

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VickyK said:
Everything exists as per the wishes of the Most High. Whether or not we go to Heaven or Hell is not our choice.
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We do have a choice to make, and scripture is clear....
Abraham was justified by faith.
 
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kaylagrl

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VickyK said:
Colossians 1:6 “For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.”


Hebrews 1:3a “He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.”


Psalm 33:9 “For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.”

The Most High is omnipotent. He decides all things.
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Not one of those verses back up what you are saying. Not one! I didn't ask you to prove omnipotence. I said back up your belief that you have no choice whether you go to heaven or hell. Please answer the question.
 
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kaylagrl

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#143
#143
VickyK said:
That's nice.

As I have said, whether or not we go to Heaven or Hell is not our choice.
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In Matthew 7:13-14, Jesus tells us: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not be believed in the name of God’s one and only son. – John 3:16-18


And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. – Revelation 20-15

"Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

YOU choose your destination. It is our choice.
 
VickyK

VickyK

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#146
kaylagrl said:
In Matthew 7:13-14, Jesus tells us: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not be believed in the name of God’s one and only son. – John 3:16-18


And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. – Revelation 20-15

"Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

YOU choose your destination. It is our choice.
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No. God chooses.

The easiest analogy would be the justice system. You may choose to break the law, however you cannot pass a sentence on yourself. Only the judge may do that. And God is an omnipotent judge whom cannot have his verdict repealed.
 
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EleventhHour

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VickyK said:
We all can makes choices. God decides where we will go when we die.
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That would be incorrect.
God keeps His promises and those who have been "declared righteous by faith in Christ Jesus" know exactly where they will be when they die.
 
Lucy-Pevensie

Lucy-Pevensie

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#154
VickyK said:
We all can makes choices. God decides where we will go when we die.
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Do you think God is unqualified to make ultimate decisions?

VickyK said:
Free will is not necessary to make choices. Robots can make choices.
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They operate according the parameters set by their programmers. They don't have a moral conscience.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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EleventhHour

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VickyK

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EleventhHour said:
When they can make choices by their own free will, then they will no longer be robots.
The choices humans make are by exercising free will.
We are talking about humans not AI.
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Not true. We make so many choices we are not even aware of.
 
VickyK

VickyK

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
How is it we have learned to manipulate DNA and matter at an atomic level ?

You are still conflating conscience & self-awareness with physiology & biology.
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We would still behave according to the code written into our DNA.

The brain is eighty five per cent of the genome. Our physiology informs our thinking and as such our decision making.

Some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, for example. They do not decide to crave alcohol. Craving alcohol is an action. Look up the word 'craving'. It is a verb. A doing word. They are involuntarily craving alcohol, yet they are still actively craving alcohol. Do they have the free will to decide against craving alcohol?
 
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