Leftist Thinking Is The Most Destructive Element In Existence

[DesertWanderer]

What do you do then when laws are made to prevent you to make disciples? And when these laws become universal?
Because that is what your children will be facing if you bury your head in the sand and allow it to happen.

Underestimating the severity of the situation certainly isn't the serpentine wisdom Jesus advised.
We are among wolves not teddy bears.

I respect your viewpoint, however:

I never heard Jesus complaining about the Roman government. Instead, he told his disciples to be as "wise as serpents and innocent as doves." Do you remember what he told them before sending them out to preach the Gospel?

“I am sending you out like sheep surrounded by wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Beware of people, because they will hand you over to councils and flog you in their synagogues. And you will be brought before governors and kings because of me, as a witness to them and to the Gentiles. Whenever they hand you over for trial, do not worry about how to speak or what to say, for what you should say will be given to you at that time. For it is not you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Brother will hand over brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved! Whenever they persecute you in one town, flee to another! I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
Matt. 10: 16-23

Their job as disciples was not to rant about the Romans, pass out literature about how bad things were, and try to take over the government via "the right to bear arms." Their job, as it is today, was to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; not baptizing them in the name of "American exceptionalism."

If Christians had been doing their job for the past 100 years, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, communism is prevalent in the world today because Christ is no longer being preached from town to town.

 

[DesertWanderer]

if people would put even a quarter of the effort into meditating on scripture as they do on hating some nebulous group of 'others' and blaming them for everything that's wrong with everything...

... maybe then we could discuss the Bible in the Bible Discussion Forum.

Amen

 

[mustaphadrink]

Having a degree in Politcs and Social Science, of course the post is of interest to me. As I read, I thought how stupid satan is. He is out there causing havoc, breaking down families and communities and trying to convince the world that he is control because he is in charge of perversion and he is winning the war against the righteous, but he does not seem to realise that every victory he gets is one step closer to his demise.

The one world government that he wants ushered in under his control is only a forerunner to a one world government that God will control through Jesus. Like Goliath, He will say such a thing never entered my head. Like Goliath he will definitely get stoned when he discovers what a fool he has been.

So satan, when are you going to reaslise what a complete idiot you are. When are you going to realise that you can't win. You may win a few battles but you will definitely lose the war (of your own making). Your days are numbered and you will never convince the faithful to side with you. Not in a million years.

And think of the fact that you are going to spend eternity in hell, which for you will mean everything you have wanted to do will be just out of reach of your grasping hand and you will have to watch God destroy everything that you put your faith in and you will have to watch how much people are enjoying the New Jerusalem.

Every heard of the gnashing of teeth buddy? If I were you I would put in an order for lots of teeth as you will be doing a lot of gnashing.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Do youn know why the right is called the right and why the left is called the left? The right is called the right because they are usually right and the left is called the left because they always leave common sense at the door.

 

[JaumeJ]

It has been over 60 years since Madeline Murray won a Supreme Court case banning prayer in schools.

I was in grammar school, and I went to voluntary religious education class once a week at my public grammar school. We also prayed in school on a voluntary basis.

When the law was enforced, I continued to pray, according to the teaching of our Lord, not making a show of it. I would pray and still do where ever I may be, but not , again, in a showy manner. God heard me and hears me, they do not.

 

[kaylagrl]

clearly God's form of government. He calls Himself king.
clearly also this only has application when the True King is made king; not human monarchy.

capitalism isn't a form of government tho it's an economic structure

Yes, I was heading out the door as I asked the question. Didn't have time to word it better. Which is the best economic structure for this country is what I am asking.

it's speaking of Satan in correlation with the king of Tyre. by the abundance of clever merchandising for his own profit he made himself rich, and in richness became vain.

what do you call the practice of gathering personal wealth through cleverness in mercantile buying and selling?

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic structure around the world. Misused and crony capitalism is not capitalism.

 

[kaylagrl]

capitalism does not teach charity.
capitalism is covetousness. it is the opposite of charity.

No, it doesn't, socialism does. You have that confused. Capitalism certainly does teach charity. American is the most giving country in the world. First on the scene at every disaster, always offering help and supplies. There are missions and charitable orgs. all over the country. That is a lie.

 

[Dino246]

No, it doesn't, socialism does. You have that confused. Capitalism certainly does teach charity. American is the most giving country in the world. First on the scene at every disaster, always offering help and supplies. There are missions and charitable orgs. all over the country. That is a lie.

I would suggest that the charity exercised by American citizens is not rooted in capitalism at all, but in Scripture, which has informed and moderated capitalist practices.

 

[JaumeJ]

Democrats were just fine until the perestroika.

I am not a political person, rather, I favor and cling to my King, however I do take Umbridge with all who so glibly refer to my parents and kin as being communists since the Marxist Manifesto and his teachings have never been truly implemented. I recall how those democrats back in the day would do all possible to care for all, even having the office called HEW which no longer exists as such.
HEW, health, education, and welfare.. If caring for our fellow citizens in need is leftist, than perhaps I am a leftist, but I always thought of this type of care as being of Jesus.
Is Jesus a Commie? He would be according to the extreme rightist views. I do know that the churches nom matter how diligent they may have been or are, have never cared for such
It was unheard of to refer to a democrat's as a communist. Today it is akin to the rampant apostasy churning the Bible toters of the world.
My family members have always been good citizens. Two of my uncles were paratroopers in WWII, and I believe were there during the retaking and crossing of the channel giving the final blow to Hitler, a very religious man, himself., something like many today.
Again, I am not political but do not call the historic members of the Democratic party communists for this is a lie.

PS, In spite of political stance, I believe there are believers in all parties, and the manner of interacting between the Peps and the Dems today is simply, disgusting.

 

[Kolistus]

Christian leftists,

Kind of like flying fish?

Leftist or Christian, can't be both.

 

[Phoneman-777]

1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. ​

2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”​

3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:​

4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? ​

5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? ​

6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. ​

7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. ​

8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”​

​

verse 5 -- the priests are not guilty
verse 7 -- the disciples are not guilty

Jesus gives the example of David & Co. and the example of the temple priests in reply.
by doing so, Jesus is saying both David & Co. and the priests working in the temple on sabbath are identical to the disciples.

you condemn David, and the priest Ahimelek who gave him the shewbread and the sword of Goliath.
this puts you in Saul's camp rather than Christ's.

Saul's chief shepherd ((a type of antichrist, an evil shepherd in contrast to David the shepherd king type of Christ)), Doeg the Edomite, was at Nob and reported to Saul what Ahimelek had done. 1 Samuel 22. Saul orders his guards to kill all the priests of the LORD. his guards will not lay a finger on them. Doeg, the Edomite shepherd, kills them.
you would say this is just, and that David should also have been killed.

your interpretation here is that Jesus's immediate reply is an example condemning the disciples as worthy of death.
my dude, this does not seem right to me. go and read 1 Samuel 22-24 and see if you find God condemning David or Ahimelek. see if you find the account proving that Saul was doing the LORD's will?

this is no simple matter. Matthew 12:1-8 is amazing in what Jesus said to them.
the law itself commands the priests to break the letter of the sabbath commandments. God's own law concerning God's own temple requires God's own priests to violate the sabbath by doing work.
WOW
what is God teaching by this?



WOW

absolutely to the contrary. i have not said anywhere or even hinted that Matthew 12 is license to sin or evidence of situational ethics being taught. you need to revisit how our conversation began:



maybe you're a bit leftist in your false accusations, lack of reading comprehension, and false speech? ((poke-poke))
your 'perfectly acceptable alternative' is not at all acceptable while it calls David & Ahimelek guilty of sin unto death and calls them an unrelated spurious example; it sets the scripture against itself and makes Jesus a liar:

• Jesus by implication says that the disciples picking grain on sabbath is identical to David eating shewbread
  • you say David and Ahimelek are worthy of death for this, guilty
• Jesus explicitly refers to the disciples as "guiltless"
  • your interpretation calls Him a liar. that's not a good interpretation.

you need to go read 1 Samuel.
look: in 1 Samuel 22:9-14 we learn that Ahimelek inquired of the LORD for David. now go back to 1 Samuel 21:1-9. where did Ahimelek inquire of the LORD for him? there's nothing recorded about that. but in 1 Samuel 22, being condemned by Saul, Ahimelek concedes that yes he did inquire of the LORD for him. what then did the LORD say to Ahimelek?
well. the LORD God Almighty, who is manifest in the flesh as the man Christ Jesus, certainly did not say 'don't do this wicked thing by giving David food lawful only for the priests' -- yet Ahimelek was in contact with the LORD when this happened. in fact why did Ahimelek do this thing? he certainly knew the law. he's the one who said to David it isn't lawful. 1 Samuel 21:4 -- Ahimelek tells him that if the men have not been with women, they may eat it. where did Ahimelek get this from? that's not in the law. but we know that Ahimelek had inquired of the LORD in this matter.
here's where we are: God didn't say "don't give them shewbread" and Ahimelek inquires of the LORD and Ahimelek tells David a strange requirement that does not come from the law. what did GOD say to Ahimelek? what did he inquire about??
hmm.
an antichrist-type is there and reports to Saul, also an antichrist type, whose response is to murder all the priests as he seeks out David the Christ-type to kill him.
hmm.
and Christ says this situation is identical to the phraisees condemning Christ's disciples for picking and eating grain on sabbath.
hmm.

this is not simple.
don't pass it off like it is.
God is a God of intelligence. He expects us to think. the Bible is written in such a way to force us to think.
first words out of Christ's mouth in Matthew 12 "have you not read??" - this is Jesus' reply, pointing to 1 Samuel 21-23.
the pharisees were supposed to have read this, and thought about it, and reached a conclusion from it.
they were supposed to have learned from this something that would have prevented them from accusing the disciples.

Christ is greater than the temple yet these two examples alone teach something about the temple and about guiltlessness despite apparent breaking of the letter. the law itself was supposed to teach them something - not situational ethics - something that makes David innocent, Ahimelek innocent, the priests innocent in their temple service, and the disciples innocent.
Jesus says all this is connected. congruent.

think man!
the temple is greater than the sabbath
God's anointed one is greater than the temple

this isn't about "oh God overlooks their sin" -- if it were, it would be tacitly accusing the disciples of sin, agreeing with the pharisees! that's a superficial gloss of what's going on in this passage. it is far deeper!

And to think this whole time I thought you were trying to use Matthew 12 to establish Situation Ethics...my bad.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Okay,Maybe you don't fully understand the word communism.

I want to ask a question:
what is left Christian ? or right Christian ?

Leftist Christianity embraces the use of force - a perfect example is the Dark Ages of Catholicism. "Fascism is the regime the most closely corresponds to the concepts of the church of Rome." - official statement by the RCC published in their "Civilta Cattolica".

Leftist Christianity generally tolerates every stripe and type of sin in the name of "love and compassion" while demonstrating militant intolerance of anyone who dares call sin by its rightful name. Such people are excluded from leadership, despised as "troublers of Israel", and some even are removed from church membership. These churches usually establish hierarchies where the pastor surrounds himself with a church board of yes-men and swoon-groupies who do whatever bidding he wants, which highly politicizes their churches and drives out the Holy Spirit which frustrates the work. History has shown over and over when the Holy Spirit vacates the premises, human compulsion naturally fills the vacuum. When confronted with rightwing Christians, these same people who claim to have a corner on the market of love and compassion sprout the most vicious horns, fangs, and claws.

Right Christianity stands for religious freedom which is the freedom to worship God according to the dictates of one's own conscience. It upholds the clearly defined principles in Scripture like the Ten Commandments and allows for individual interpretation of that which is not so clearly defined. It provides that the church body, not some church hierarchy, be the ultimate authority over the affairs of the church which preserves fair and just treatment for all members. There is a Biblical principle concerning the relationship between the law and the Holy Spirit which shows that when the law of God is cast aside in favor of human ideas like "needs-based religion", the result is always spiritual stagnation due to a departure of the Holy Spirit. The old right wing mainline churches that still find a few roots reaching back to the Protestant Reformation tend to flourish somewhat while the churches that have a hard time telling you why you ought to be an obedient Christian are dumping ground for shallow Christianity.

 

[Phoneman-777]

capitalism does not teach charity.
capitalism is covetousness. it is the opposite of charity.

I think you're confusing "crony capitalism" with Biblically established, unmolested capitalism -- "work hard and keep what you earn, but don't forget to show compassion to the poor, lest the Lord remove your riches from you and give to another."

Please let's get something straight:

Conservatives are generally are pro-capitalist and have always been the financial backbone of the church going all the way back to the beginning.

Leftists Christians tend to be the stingiest of all who insist that "freedom in Christ" is a license to ignore any Biblical duty enjoined to them by Scripture, including charitable giving, the return tithes and offerings, etc., which of course they selfishly "consume upon themselves". A simple comparison of public tax records of left wing communist politicians who champion the plight of the poor and right wing capitalist politicians will easily demonstrate that "hypocrisy, thy name is Pelosi, Biden, AOC, Shummer, etc., etc., etc."

 

[Phoneman-777]

Kind of like flying fish?

Leftist or Christian, can't be both.

You know it and I know it, but...

 

[Angela53510]

Your left leanings are apparent.
Why are you so defensive? If you are a democrat say you are a democrat. If you are ashamed of it..stop being a democrat.
Your transference efforts are not working.

Just a note for you - Dino is Canadian, as I am! So neither of us will ever be Democrats or Republicans. I am very conservative, but the Conservatives elected a leader who is so far left he is sitting where the Liberal part used to be, before the Liberals moved left of the NDP, which is for all intents and purposes is communism. We have another right wing party which failed to elect anyone, which I don't think will manage to field candidates in our next election, which will be very soon, because ministers in cabinet are already politicking, which is against Canadian law.

So try and remember that CC is an international group, not just about America. Which is another reason this OP should be moved, because American politics, or any other kind of politics, is not a biblical topic!

 

[DesertWanderer]

When the law was enforced, I continued to pray,

Yes, and when Christianity is banned, we will still be praying. My point all along.

Let's stop fretting about socialism and start praying. Let's stop railing and start making disciples of all nations again.

 

[DesertWanderer]

So try and remember that CC is an international group, not just about America. Which is another reason this OP should be moved, because American politics, or any other kind of politics, is not a biblical topic!

I am a proud American, and I agree with you.

I believe in ONE body of Christ.

 

[DesertWanderer]

So try and remember that CC is an international group, not just about America. Which is another reason this OP should be moved, because American politics, or any other kind of politics, is not a biblical topic!

I am a proud American, and I agree with you.

I believe in ONE body of Christ.

 

[DesertWanderer]

So try and remember that CC is an international group, not just about America. Which is another reason this OP should be moved, because American politics, or any other kind of politics, is not a biblical topic!

I am a proud American, and I agree with you.

I believe in ONE body of Christ.

 

[DesertWanderer]

So try and remember that CC is an international group, not just about America. Which is another reason this OP should be moved, because American politics, or any other kind of politics, is not a biblical topic!

I am a proud American, and I agree with you.

I believe in ONE body of Christ.