Calvinists are preaching a false message .

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Someone should list [ONLY] the truths from both views of the Calvin's and the Arminian's.
That's probably where the Gospel is found at.
 
throughfaith said:
Not in the sense to be saved or recieve the Holy Spirit.
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Then why does Christ say Baptize all nations, and all people in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.

And why does He say no one can enter the kingdom of God unless born of Water and Spirit in John 3:5?
 
T_Laurich said:
Then why does Christ say Baptize all nations, and all people in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.

And why does He say no one can enter the kingdom of God unless born of Water and Spirit in John 3:5?
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The same way he command s to observe the Lords supper . Does that save ?
 
throughfaith said:
The word baptism is that in John 3.5 ?
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Galatians 3:7 and Acts 18:8 uses that word, so does Mark 16 and Matthew 28.

Hmmmmm….

If only there was a man, who was called a Baptist, that way we would know what baptism is... It would be really really helpful if his whole ministry was Baptism, especially if it was the baptism of Christ Himself, then there could be no confusion of what baptism is.

And what would be the most helpful, is if this person was talked about only versus before John 3:5 that way we could know what the water is... It is such a mystery.
 
T_Laurich said:
Galatians 3:7 and Acts 18:8 uses that word, so does Mark 16 and Matthew 28.

Hmmmmm….

If only there was a man, who was called a Baptist, that way we would know what baptism is... It would be really really helpful if his whole ministry was Baptism, especially if it was the baptism of Christ Himself, then there could be no confusion of what baptism is.

And what would be the most helpful, is if this person was talked about only versus before John 3:5 that way we could know what the water is... It is such a mystery.
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Gal 3 .7 ?
 
T_Laurich said:
Galatians 3:7 and Acts 18:8 uses that word, so does Mark 16 and Matthew 28.

Hmmmmm….

If only there was a man, who was called a Baptist, that way we would know what baptism is... It would be really really helpful if his whole ministry was Baptism, especially if it was the baptism of Christ Himself, then there could be no confusion of what baptism is.

And what would be the most helpful, is if this person was talked about only versus before John 3:5 that way we could know what the water is... It is such a mystery.
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Acts 18 .8
8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed ( moment they were saved) AND were baptized.
 
What is baptism... If only we had a man named X the Baptist.... Surely God would have given a man that title to show us.

I meant Galatians 3:27, sorry for typo
 
T_Laurich said:
Galatians 3:7 and Acts 18:8 uses that word, so does Mark 16 and Matthew 28.

Hmmmmm….

If only there was a man, who was called a Baptist, that way we would know what baptism is... It would be really really helpful if his whole ministry was Baptism, especially if it was the baptism of Christ Himself, then there could be no confusion of what baptism is.

And what would be the most helpful, is if this person was talked about only versus before John 3:5 that way we could know what the water is... It is such a mystery.
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Where does it mention water in Mark 16 ?
 
Rondonmon said:
I think if you read it carefully, it's saying that the WHOLE WORLD or all of Mankind is predestined to reconcile with God via the blood of Jesus. In other words, God predestined a way for fallen mankind to be forgiven and received back into the fold of God's family. These translations do not always come off so well. For instance, the same word is used for Judging and condemning, we are in reality commanded to judge by God, but told never to condemn, for that is God's alone. So anytime someone says Oh, Don't judge, that is just a lie from Satan, trying to get the Church to accept sin.

We wouldn't even send our kids across the road without telling them to judge if a car is coming by looking both ways, let we aren't to judge others, it's just not the case. We are not to condemn anyone, I can't say you are hell boud, but I can say to someone, hey, you are cheating on your wife, you are a Christian, you know that you are wrong, those sins will separate you from God, you better tell your wife and repent. So, Judging, and Condemning are two different things, likewise, I see Paul speaking bout Predestination, and I know hes talking about our SALVATION has been predestinated, but not all people will of course accept that salvation.

God Bless
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Brothers and Sisters,

I agree with your statement about do not judge to a degree but, disagree with the context. You antiquary someone saying don’t judge with a lie from Satan? That sounds like a sweeping condemnation?

It is written that the measure you give is the measure you will receive. Jesus said, do not judge, and you won’t be judged, yes, in the way of condemning as you pointed out. Yet who did Jesus ever judge, the people or the religious leaders of the day? However, realize again your context is condemning and far to one side, I do not believe most people say don’t judge at all. It is simply applied/implied one should know that the judgement shouldn’t NOT be based on the wisdom of man or through the eyes of the flesh. It should rather be based on the measure and wisdom of God through heavens eyes and by the Holy Spirit.

Least anyone forget from where they have come and believe themselves not to be sick and see.

Love, A brother in Christ
 
T_Laurich said:
What is baptism... If only we had a man named X the Baptist.... Surely God would have given a man that title to show us.

I meant Galatians 3:27, sorry for typo
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27For as many of you as have been baptized ( by the Holy Spirit into Christ have put on Christ.

1 cor 12
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized ( Not water) into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

See what the camberlites, Church of Christ / cults/ 'The Lords navy ' teach is that everytime Baptised is mentioned this means water . Heres a clue . Where no water is mentioned this means no water .
 
throughfaith said:
I've no idea what you mean ?
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John 1-2 explains it well :)

John the Baptist.


Now in John 3:5 what does Christ mean by saying "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

What is this water? We understand Spirit is the Holy Spirit, but what is the water?
 
T_Laurich said:
John 1-2 explains it well :)

John the Baptist.


Now in John 3:5 what does Christ mean by saying "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

What is this water? We understand Spirit is the Holy Spirit, but what is the water?
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Could be the Mothers' waters ' ( born of flesh ) A jew believed his ethnicity was enough , but they had to also be born of the Spirit not just of flesh.
 
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