Leftist Thinking Is The Most Destructive Element In Existence

[posthuman]

Look, this isn't that difficult. If God want's to make an exception to His Sabbath law (an exception that He clearly defines in His law so as to prevent mischief on our part) such as allowing priests to perform their work of intercession on Sabbath, that's His business.

seems to me that He says "One greater than the temple is here!" immediately after pointing out that the law requires the priests serving in the temple to "desecrate the sabbath" because what He has showed them is that the temple service is greater than the sabbath. isn't it so, that in another place He also points out that circumcision is performed on the sabbath? that the 8th day is greater than the 7th.

moreover - by putting the example of the requirements of the laws concerning the work of the temple superseding the commandment not to work on the sabbath, together with the example of David & his men being fed with what was unlawful for them to eat, He is calling these two things "identical" in a sense - they are both examples of the same thing He is teaching them. there is a congruency between them. David eating shewbread is equivalent to priests working in the temple on sabbath is equivalent to His disciples threshing individual heads of grain in their hands on sabbath. that's why He gives them both.
so if He brings up David as an example of sin, then the priests obeying the laws He gave them for the temple is sin, and the disciples picking and shucking grain is sin. but He says, "you would not have condemned the innocent" if you had understood these things.
so if His disciples preparing and eating grain is not sin, neither is the priest doing work in the temple on sabbath sin, and neither is Ahimelek feeding shewbread to David & his men, sin. His disciples were innocent for the same reason the priest who does work in the temple on sabbath is innocent, and for the same reason that Ahimelek was innocent feeding David holy food meant only for the priests & giving him the sword of Goliath.

unless you think God is inconsistent? that He speaks haphazardly with little to no connection between His words?
i do not think He is. i think everything He says here is perfect, linked, concise, and amazing. He has taught them something - given them a key to understanding what desiring mercy rather than sacrifice means. He declares to them that He is greater than the temple and Lord over the sabbath, and both these examples are to this point

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 12:1-8 KJV can only be interpreted as and expose' of Jewish hypocrisy

what hypocrisy is He giving an exposé of?

i don't see any here except their ignorance of the scripture. He gives them two examples from scripture that, if they had understood, would have prevented them from condemning "the innocent"

Jesus' words in Matthew 12:1-8 KJV can only be interpreted as and expose' of Jewish hypocrisy, because otherwise you're insisting God subjugate His infinite wisdom to flawed human reasoning whenever they demonstrate a lack of faith.

i don't understand.
what gives the indication that i would be suggesting God should bow Himself to human wisdom whenever they demonstrate lack of faith?
i'm sorry i don't know what you're referring to here? whose lack of faith? what human reasoning?

 

[posthuman]

allowing priests to perform their work of intercession on Sabbath, that's His business.

except amazingly it's not "allowing an exception" it's His own direct command.
in fact, the sacrifices He gave as law for sabbaths were more than the regular daily sacrifices, so the priest in the temple had to do more work on sabbath than the other 6 days.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Is our Father to the left or to the right?

Definitely to the right.

He’s pro-capitalist (not a crony capitalism)

He’s pro-family (and recognizes only one type)

He’s anti-idolatry (worship of Hollywood people, athletes, musicians, and all other forms)

He’s anti-sexual deviancy (the left absolutely has a corner on that market)

He’s anti-control freakism — He says, whosever will, let him come out from among them and come into Me, while in the spirit of their father Satan, the left says come in among our NWO globalist ecumenical UNITY (new buzzword all over the leftist media, right) OR YOU’LL BE SORRY.

 

[posthuman]

Look, this isn't that difficult.

i'm not so sure; the things God says are very rarely, if ever, simple..

essentially the pharisees thought that the disciples picking, shucking and eating grain on sabbath was equivalent to gathering manna or sticks, or preparing food.
Jesus corrected them, drawing instead an equivalence to David eating shewbread and priests in the temple doing their temple work.

i don't see how this is 'exposing hypocrisy' so much as it's exposing ignorance & misunderstanding, and remedying that through instruction & illumination.


i mean think about it. why do you say the disciples were innocent in what they did?
is the reasoning you would give, the same reasoning Jesus gives? it needs to be.

 

[posthuman]

Definitely to the right.

He’s pro-capitalist (not a crony capitalism)

He’s pro-family (and recognizes only one type)

He’s anti-idolatry (worship of Hollywood people, athletes, musicians, and all other forms)

He’s anti-sexual deviancy (the left absolutely has a corner on that market)

He’s anti-control freakism — He says, whosever will, let him come out from among them and come into Me, while in the spirit of their father Satan, the left says come in among our NWO globalist ecumenical UNITY (new buzzword all over the leftist media, right) OR YOU’LL BE SORRY.

shouldn't we rather talk about the Bible than spend our morning making worldly accusations about a leader of your people?
i mean ya did put this in "Bible Discussion"

 

[Phoneman-777]

what hypocrisy is He giving an exposé of?

i don't see any here except their ignorance of the scripture. He gives them two examples from scripture that, if they had understood, would have prevented them from condemning "the innocent"

Since the priests profaned the Sabbath and David profaned the temple, the only “innocent” the Pharisees should not be condemning is JESUS.

i don't understand.
what gives the indication that i would be suggesting God should bow Himself to human wisdom whenever they demonstrate lack of faith?
i'm sorry i don't know what you're referring to here? whose lack of faith? what human reasoning?

I’ll spell it out -

If people exercised true faith in Jesus, they wouldn’t need Situation Ethics to excuse stealing when hungry, lying to avoid dire consequences, breaking the Sabbath “to keep my job”, etc., etc. These are all Catholic principles - not Protestant - and one wonders why Protestants continue to promote Catholic errors in Protestant communities. I think 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV is the reason. for a lot of this.

When people employ Situation Ethics, they say to God, “I know You said do X, but my SITUATION demands that I do Y - so that makes Y ETHICAL” and they expect God to submit to their pronouncement of Y as ETHICAL though previously condemned as unethical.

 

[Phoneman-777]

except amazingly it's not "allowing an exception" it's His own direct command.
in fact, the sacrifices He gave as law for sabbaths were more than the regular daily sacrifices, so the priest in the temple had to do more work on sabbath than the other 6 days.

I already pointed out to you that God allowing the priests to work on Sabbath was “clearly defined IN HIS LAW so as to avoid opportunity for mischief on our part” - maybe read my stuff a bit slower?

God can make such provision regarding the Sabbath law because it is HIS law, not ours, which renders any attempt on our part to make such a provision impotent. Anyone who reasons we are in such a position engages in the idolatrous act of exalting human reasoning above the Word of the Lord.

 

[Phoneman-777]

i'm not so sure; the things God says are very rarely, if ever, simple..

essentially the pharisees thought that the disciples picking, shucking and eating grain on sabbath was equivalent to gathering manna or sticks, or preparing food.
Jesus corrected them, drawing instead an equivalence to David eating shewbread and priests in the temple doing their temple work.

i don't see how this is 'exposing hypocrisy' so much as it's exposing ignorance & misunderstanding, and remedying that through instruction & illumination.


i mean think about it. why do you say the disciples were innocent in what they did?
is the reasoning you would give, the same reasoning Jesus gives? it needs to be.

Total SUBJECTIVE reasoning. Jesus never excuses one sin by pointing out another sin - liberals do.

What Jesus DID do was point out hypocrisy like the fact that the Jews were more interested in covering up the spaghetti stains of a building they had turned into an idol, but wanted to murder the “One greater than the temple”, a Temple of God Who was beyond all reproach.

Can you see how such a Biblically OBJECTIVE explanation stands in contrast to your leftist thinking? You’re trying to make right out of two wrongs.

 

[TMS]

the laws and duties that had been added to Gods Sabbath made it a burden. It is about the Heart and Jesus wanted to show that they had things back to front and that it was fine to do good on the Sabbath.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

 

[Phoneman-777]

shouldn't we rather talk about the Bible than spend our morning making worldly accusations about a leader of your people?
i mean ya did put this in "Bible Discussion"

I thought our job was to give witness testimony for God? He’s been indicted by not only Satan, but leftists as well

 

[Phoneman-777]

the laws and duties that had been added to Gods Sabbath made it a burden. It is about the Heart and Jesus wanted to show that they had things back to front and that it was fine to do good on the Sabbath.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Often, people (not accusing you) will point to how rigid the Jews made the Sabbath in order to excuse doing whatever activity we want in the name of “relationship with Jesus”, including doing what’s expressly forbidden - daily work.

Well, from a relationship perspective, if the love of my life flew into town only one time a week to share some alone time, imagine how special she’d feel if I ignored her while staring at my phone the whole time or left her sitting on the couch to mow the lawn or headed out the door to my job as she’s coming in...should kinda make us wonder, I think.

 

[jb]

Definitely to the right.

He’s pro-capitalist (not a crony capitalism)

He’s pro-family (and recognizes only one type)

He’s anti-idolatry (worship of Hollywood people, athletes, musicians, and all other forms)

He’s anti-sexual deviancy (the left absolutely has a corner on that market)

He’s anti-control freakism — He says, whosever will, let him come out from among them and come into Me, while in the spirit of their father Satan, the left says come in among our NWO globalist ecumenical UNITY (new buzzword all over the leftist media, right) OR YOU’LL BE SORRY.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh...there's a "Red" under my bed!

 

[TMS]

Often, people (not accusing you) will point to how rigid the Jews made the Sabbath in order to excuse doing whatever activity we want in the name of “relationship with Jesus”, including doing what’s expressly forbidden - daily work.

Well, from a relationship perspective, if the love of my life flew into town only one time a week to share some alone time, imagine how special she’d feel if I ignored her while staring at my phone the whole time or left her sitting on the couch to mow the lawn or headed out the door to my job as she’s coming in...should kinda make us wonder, I think.

I look at it like Jesus pointed out in Mat 5:21,22, about anger and 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
People can get so fixed on keeping the laws right that they miss the point. Which is Love. True love is the basis of the law but true Love will also delight in keeping the law.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Without forgetting the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: we need to be faithful in the little things as well.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

[posthuman]

I already pointed out to you that God allowing the priests to work on Sabbath was “clearly defined IN HIS LAW so as to avoid opportunity for mischief on our part”

"allowing the priests to work on the sabbath" is a mischaraterization.

They are COMMANDED by the law to work in the temple on sabbath. The very law God gave them.

 

[posthuman]

What Jesus DID do was point out hypocrisy

I understand that Jesus pointed out hypocrisy in other places. But we are talking about Matthew 12:1-8.

Where is He speaking about hypocrisy here? He's pointing out ignorance and lack of understanding. He explicitly says that if they "understood" something they would not have condenmned the "innocent" and He explicitly pointed to two examples in the law that He appears to be saying are material to the situation of their conversation.

 

[posthuman]

I thought our job was to give witness testimony for God? He’s been indicted by not only Satan, but leftists as well

I don't see you talking much about God here other than at my prompting. God certainly isn't the topic of your thread. Your topic is worldly politics, how much you hate one worldly political party and love another worldy political party.

 

[posthuman]

the laws and duties that had been added to Gods Sabbath made it a burden

In Matthew 12:1-8 Jesus is not talking about 'extra-scriptural additional human commands' regarding sabbath. He points out that the law itself requires the priests in the temple to 'desecrate the sabbath'
His words are very strong words.

 

[posthuman]

Total SUBJECTIVE reasoning. Jesus never excuses one sin by pointing out another sin - liberals do.

What Jesus DID do was point out hypocrisy like the fact that the Jews were more interested in covering up the spaghetti stains of a building they had turned into an idol, but wanted to murder the “One greater than the temple”, a Temple of God Who was beyond all reproach.

Can you see how such a Biblically OBJECTIVE explanation stands in contrast to your leftist thinking? You’re trying to make right out of two wrongs.

Jesus is the one who uses the word "innocent"

I'm not being subjective dude, I am getting this directly from the text. Christ's own words.

You appear to have a really weird definition of "leftist"

 

[posthuman]

Total SUBJECTIVE reasoning. Jesus never excuses one sin by pointing out another sin - liberals do.

What Jesus DID do was point out hypocrisy like the fact that the Jews were more interested in covering up the spaghetti stains of a building they had turned into an idol, but wanted to murder the “One greater than the temple”, a Temple of God Who was beyond all reproach.

Can you see how such a Biblically OBJECTIVE explanation stands in contrast to your leftist thinking? You’re trying to make right out of two wrongs.

Jesus is the one who uses the word "innocent"

I'm not being subjective dude, I am getting this directly from the text. Christ's own words.

You appear to have a really weird definition if "leftist"

Can you see how such a Biblically OBJECTIVE explanation

Were the disciples innocent, what do you say?

Why or why not?

Is your reasoning the reasoning that Jesus gives in the text?