Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

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VickyK said:
Thank you for the post. I don't understand what it has to do with my question? As for the Japanese woman, she is in Hell now, suffering torture far beyond what she experienced on Earth.
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First off no one knows if this woman is in Hell, to say that is not correct.

Jesus said to a person who said they wanted to follow HIm " First let me go bury my father then, I will follow you."

Jesus said: " Let the dead bury the dead". The only thing that matters is the life before death, after death that it is in the hands of God.

Remember Jesus also said to those who believe they were saved " Depart from me I never knew you". No one can say who is in hell.

But the Word of God says those who have not accepted Jesus as Lord and savior will not be saved.
 
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Runningman said:
Isaiah 52:14
14As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

There was also an emotional and spiritual aspect to it. His disciples deserted Him at the end and He bore the sins of the entire world. Yeah I would say He took the ultimate suffering.
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You would say that he did? Okay.
 
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VickyK said:
Could you answer my question? Was Jesus suffering worse than that of Junko Furuta?
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yes it was because He took on all the suffering of the world Past present and future.
 
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First off no one knows if this woman is in Hell, to say that is not correct.

Jesus said to a person who said they wanted to follow HIm " First let me go bury my father then, I will follow you."

Jesus said: " Let the dead bury the dead". The only thing that matters is the life before death, after death that it is in the hands of God.

Remember Jesus also said to those who believe they were saved " Depart from me I never knew you". No one can say who is in hell.

But the Word of God says those who have not accepted Jesus as Lord and savior will not be saved.
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There is no evidence to say suggest she was a Christian.

Those who do not accept Christ go to Hell, to endure eternal suffering.
 
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CS1 said:
yes it was because He took on all the suffering of the world Past present and future.
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Why was his crucifixion necessary? Why didn't he just suddenly experience the suffering and then die?
 
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VickyK said:
There is no evidence to say suggest she was a Christian.

Those who do not accept Christ go to Hell, to endure eternal suffering.
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the LACK OF EVIDENCE is not the absence of salvation. AS I said God knows we do not.
 
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VickyK said:
Why was his crucifixion necessary? Why didn't he just suddenly experience the suffering and then die?
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I would like you to answer a question that was asked of you which it seems you have overlooked. Can you please tell me how it is you became a Christian a year ago? Having this information will be greatly helpful.

Thank you,
 
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VickyK said:
You would say that he did? Okay.
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Yes, that's the Biblical narrative I'm showing you. It's accepted by Christians as authoritative. Do you agree with it?

There really isn't a reproducible example we can compare Jesus to. No other person has been marred beyond human recognition, crucified, their followers abandon them, and then become a world savior baring our sins in His body on the tree. (1 Peter 2:24)
 
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CS1 said:
the LACK OF EVIDENCE is not the absence of salvation. AS I said God knows we do not.
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Okay. Maybe everyone is in Heaven. Maybe everyone is in Hell. God only knows.
 
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Runningman said:
Yes, that's the Biblical narrative I'm showing you. It's accepted by Christians as authoritative. Do you agree with it?

There really isn't a reproducible example we can compare Jesus to. No other person has been marred beyond human recognition, crucified, their followers abandon them, and then become a world savior baring our sins in His body on the tree. (1 Peter 2:24)
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It appears to be your interpretation of the Biblical narrative. You're welcome to provide scripture to evidence your claim.
 
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VickyK said:
Okay. Maybe everyone is in Heaven. Maybe everyone is in Hell. God only knows.
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I would like you to answer a question that was asked of you which it seems you have overlooked. Can you please tell me how it is you became a Christian a year ago? Having this information will be greatly helpful.

Thank you,
 
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CS1 said:
I would like you to answer a question that was asked of you which it seems you have overlooked. Can you please tell me how it is you became a Christian a year ago? Having this information will be greatly helpful.

Thank you,
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Somebody close to me converted, although I'd been entertaining Christianity for a few years before then, that was what pushed me to convert.
 
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VickyK said:
Somebody close to me converted, although I'd been entertaining Christianity for a few years before then, that was what pushed me to convert.
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VickyK said:
Somebody close to me converted, although I'd been entertaining Christianity for a few years before then, that was what pushed me to convert.
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Then you are not a Christian. You are a troll.

I knew it.

Thank you.
 
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VickyK said:
I literally just told you I converted about a year ago?
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no, you did not. You said it was forced on you! Like the rape of the young Japanese Girl, you have been trying to get many in here to say the death of Jesus was or was not worst than what happened to this young girl. The conversation was perverse as soon as you brought that into the discussion. God doesn't force salvation no more than HE approves of Raping women.

God did not create suffering as you suggested. Sin did.
 
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CS1 said:
no, you did not. You said it was forced on you! Like the rape of the young Japanese Girl, you have been trying to get many in here to say the death of Jesus was or was not worst than what happened to this young girl. The conversation was perverse as soon as you brought that into the discussion. God doesn't force salvation no more than HE approves of Raping women.

God did not create suffering as you suggested. Sin did.
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I never said it was forced on me?
 
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I never said it was forced on me?
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Yes, you did. You said it was pushed on you to convert, FYI that is not conversion. Jesus wants all to willfully come to HIm and surrender NOT be pushed, forced like a rape. If you are truly wanting to know Christ as Lord and savior ask HIM to introduce HIMself to you. He will take away your anger and hatred of men and heal the places where you have been abused and hurt. He does love you but HE will not push you to do what you are not wanting to do. He doesn't force He ask you to come willfully.

Your posting is not the issue the issue you made is not the real issue. Jesus is there for you with open arms for you to willfully come. He calling you not dragging you.
 
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VickyK said:
Meaning, was it the ultimate suffering that no other human would ever possibly compare to have experienced?
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the bait was set
 
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CS1 said:
Yes, you did. You said it was pushed on you to convert, FYI that is not conversion. Jesus wants all to willfully come to HIm and surrender NOT be pushed, forced like a rape. If you are truly wanting to know Christ as Lord and savior ask HIM to introduce HIMself to you. He will take away your anger and hatred of men and heal the places where you have been abused and hurt. He does love you but HE will not push you to do what you are not wanting to do. He doesn't force He ask you to come willfully.

Your posting is not the issue the issue you made is not the real issue. Jesus is there for you with open arms for you to willfully come. He calling you not dragging you.
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No, I never said that. Read what I wrote, please.

'anger and hatred of men'

What suggests I am angry at and hate men?
 
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VickyK said:
No, I never said that. Read what I wrote, please.

'anger and hatred of men'

What suggests I am angry at and hate men?
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what is the issue you have with the suffering of Christ and it not being as bad or wanting to know if one thinks it is worst than a graphic murder of the young Japanese girl? I don't know if the young girl was saved or not, but I can tell you from what you have said, You have not met the Lord Jesus Christ. Your understanding has not been open by the Holy Spirit to help you see who Jesus is and why you need him. No one can explain to you what only the Holy Spirit can open your understanding. Have you had an abusive experience? Who is Jesus to you? Do you know Him? would you like to?
 
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