Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

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Lisamn

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I read the book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. In it he documents his journey from no faith to faith. He set out to prove that the Biblical account was all wrong. In it though, he investigated what Jesus went through at the hands of the Romans to his death on the cross. Mr. Strobel talked to doctors and found out from them the affects that the torture had upon Jesus body.
I cried while I read it...its was so tortuous what Jesus went through to save us. Jesus also was separated from God because of all of our sin that He took upon Himself..that in itself was tortuous enough. And if you’re wondering..sin separates us from God.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
The very thought of her prolonged torture is sickening and gives one the urge to take a hammer to the sadistic perpetrators.
However, her terror & agony ended at death.

Jesus suffered the torment of eternal hell after his physical death.
He agonises still over every injustice. Every human suffering that calls out for justice rings in his ears. Including that poor girl's.
This is the reason his vengeance will be fierce.
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He didn't experience eternal hell...unless he's still there?

Yes, her ordeal was horrifying.
 
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Lisamn said:
I read the book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. In it he documents his journey from no faith to faith. He set out to prove that the Biblical account was all wrong. In it though, he investigated what Jesus went through at the hands of the Romans to his death on the cross. Mr. Strobel talked to doctors and found out from them the affects that the torture had upon Jesus body.
I cried while I read it...its was so tortuous what Jesus went through to save us. Jesus also was separated from God because of all of our sin that He took upon Himself..that in itself was tortuous enough. And if you’re wondering..sin separates us from God.
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I don't think anyone would disagree it was torturous, yet, as the examples provided by myself and others argue, humans may have experienced ordeals even worse than crucifixion.
 
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You think it would be less painful to be raped over 400 times, beaten, starved, hung from the ceiling and used as a "punching bag", have barbells dropped onto your stomach, forced to eat live cockroaches and drink your own urine, forced to masturbate in front of them, and forced to dance and sing to songs while being beaten? Have inserted many objects into your rectum and anus (vagina also if you were female), including a lit light bulb and fireworks?

They burned her vagina and clitoris with cigarettes and lighters, and her eyelids with hot wax. They also tore off her left nipple with pliers and pierced her breasts with sewing needles. Furuta was said to slip into unconsciousness because of the repeated assaults, leading them to dunk her head into a bucket of water each time to continue the torture.When her body was found, Oronamin C bottles had been inserted into her anus, her face was unrecognizable, and she had become pregnant from the repeated rapes. This was over the course of 44 days.
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Where is she now?
 
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VickyK said:
I don't think anyone would disagree it was torturous, yet, as the examples provided by myself and others argue, humans may have experienced ordeals even worse than crucifixion.
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Of course, humans have but that has nothing to do with the importance of what occurred. Especially within prophecy.
 
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VickyK said:
I don't think anyone would disagree it was torturous, yet, as the examples provided by myself and others argue, humans may have experienced ordeals even worse than crucifixion.
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Can’t discount Jesus being separated from God... He had never experienced that before as they’ve always been one. Not only that...One who knew no sin was now sin. He took everyone’s sin upon Himself...that’s pretty horrible and wins the prize for worst ordeal.
 
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Lisamn said:
Can’t discount Jesus being separated from God... He had never experienced that before as they’ve always been one. Not only that...One who knew no sin was now sin. He took everyone’s sin upon Himself...that’s pretty horrible and wins the prize for worst ordeal.
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Is that in scripture?
 
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VickyK said:
Is that in scripture?
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Isaiah‬ ‭59:2‬ ‭
But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.​
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‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:18-20‬ ‭
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.​

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:21‬ ‭
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:21-24‬ ‭
For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
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Lisamn said:
Isaiah‬ ‭59:2‬ ‭
But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.​
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‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:18-20‬ ‭
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.​

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:21‬ ‭
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:21-24‬ ‭
For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
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None of that evidences your claim.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
She died from the event? Or lived on? If lived on, what did she do with her life? She never accepted Christ?
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She was raped and tortured repeatedly for 44 days. Of course she died. She did not accept Christ. She suffered on Earth, and will suffer eternally now.
 
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VickyK said:
None of that evidences your claim.
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Sure it does. Jesus became sin because He took on our sins.

And sin separates us from God. Jesus was separated from God when our sins were put on Him. Totally makes my points.
 
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VickyK said:
She was raped and tortured repeatedly for 44 days. Of course she died. She did not accept Christ. She suffered on Earth, and will suffer eternally now.
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Did she also sin?
 
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Lisamn said:
Did she also sin?
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Yes. No human is sinless, except for Jesus. Therefore she is suffering and will continue to do so until the end of time.

However horrifying you find her rape, torture and murder, nothing compares to what she is experiencing now.
 
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Pretty close. The Romans perfected the agony of crucifixion.
 
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VickyK said:
God hates?

And did Jesus not die? Or did he suffer for eternity?
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Yes God hates sin.
Jesus gave up his spirit he did not die from the wounds or blood loss but as he said "I have power to lay down my life and power to pick it up again.

His suffering ended at the cross....his greatest suffering was being separated from the father (God).
 
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VickyK said:
Yes. No human is sinless, except for Jesus. Therefore she is suffering and will continue to do so until the end of time.

However horrifying you find her rape, torture and murder, nothing compares to what she is experiencing now.
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That’s right no human is sinless...so something horrible happened to her..but she still needs to be saved for her sins which are just as horrible to God. All sin..which is why there is a lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth...sin is that bad.

What do you think she’s experiencing now..the lake of fire? There is no one there. That doesn’t happen until after the millennium.
 
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