Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

[VickyK]

I am not sure what your point is but The death of Jesus was no walk in the park and I would not wish that on anyone. As far as the young lady and the descriptiveness provided that was a terrible death. I think you believe the death of Jesus was no big deal. And your point of this women's death surely doesn't trivialize the suffering of Christ.

Could you answer my question? Was Jesus suffering worse than that of Junko Furuta?

 

[VickyK]

The Son . Who became flesh ,yes . Its something an atheist might say when they don't understand the trinity .That " God punished himself "

The son (Jesus) didn't 'become' flesh. Jesus is flesh. By definition he is fully human and fully divine.

 

[VickyK]

I like your questions. Very meaty. A lot to bite into.

Jesus' suffering was different from what any normal man can experience. Normal men will always have a God to cry out to for help in troubled times. Remember Steven when he was stoned. Remember Paul and friends as they were beaten. Remember that there were four in that fiery furnace. It was not so for Jesus...

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

I would be happy to learn more, if you would like to message me.

 

[CS1]

Could you answer my question? Was Jesus suffering worse than that of Junko Furuta?

to answer your question I don't know, I would not want to experience either one. Again I think your question is confrontational.

I answered your question as you seemed to have an issue with the suffering of Jesus as not being a terrible death as you said You did not think it was painful long death. That was not true. Now you interject a terrible death of women and want polling on which one was worst?

 

[Lanolin]

I dont know what its like to be flogged and crucified, and nailed and bleeding to death, but I do understand what its like to be betrayed, its awful.

 

[PC123]

If we're not capable of comprehending it how did we make a religion out of it?

Misinterpretation perhaps... There are only a few verses that suggest he died for our sins

 

[CS1]

Misinterpretation perhaps... There are only a few verses that suggest he died for our sins

I'm not sure the point only a few verses that speak on Jesus dying for our sins? And possible Misinterpretation? Can you please explain this error in the Biblical understanding of what Jesus said HE came to do?

 

[PC123]

I'm not sure the point only a few verses that speak on Jesus dying for our sins? And possible Misinterpretation? Can you please explain this error in the Biblical understanding of what Jesus said HE came to do?

I said perhaps man, relax. Im not claiming infallibility. Its just a thought...

 

[Magenta]

The son (Jesus) didn't 'become' flesh.

Scripture disagrees with you.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. John 1:14

 

[VickyK]

Scripture disagrees with you.

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. John 1:14

How does that quote contradict what I said?

 

[Lanolin]

Does OP not really understand the crucfixtion or resurrection? Just wondering. Why Jesus went through what he went through? Jesus could have died any number of ways. he died with 2 others beside him on the same day. But the two others were guilty whereas he was innocent. He also came to life on the third day.

 

[Magenta]

How does that quote contradict what I said?

Hello? You plainly said Jesus (the Son) did not become flesh. Scripture says He did.

 

[CS1]

I said perhaps man, relax. Im not claiming infallibility. Its just a thought...

and I just asked how so and explain why you think a possible misinterpretation? I am very much relaxed

 

[VickyK]

Hello? You plainly said Jesus (the Son) did not become flesh. Scripture says He did.

I apologise, for I can't see where it says that in the quote you provided.

 

[Magenta]

I apologise, for I can't see where it says that in the quote you provided.

So you deny Jesus is the Word?

Please read John chapter one. Here:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory,
the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[JohnDB]

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

Not modalism and not pantheon...

Hear oh Israel
The Lord, The Lord God is ONE.
(From the schema)

 

[CS1]

I apologise, for I can't see where it says that in the quote you provided.

# post 54

Yeah I'd take the crucifixion. The purpose of crucifixion was not so much a slow, agonising death so much as a method to display the bodies, alive or not, for a length of time. It was reserved for political criminals such as Jesus and those whom were executed with him.

 

[VickyK]

Does OP not really understand the crucfixtion or resurrection? Just wondering. Why Jesus went through what he went through? Jesus could have died any number of ways. he died with 2 others beside him on the same day. But the two others were guilty whereas he was innocent. He also came to life on the third day.

My understanding is they were all guilty of the crime of sedition. What you said doesn't answer my question, however.

 

[VickyK]

to answer your question I don't know, I would not want to experience either one. Again I think your question is confrontational.

I answered your question as you seemed to have an issue with the suffering of Jesus as not being a terrible death as you said You did not think it was painful long death. That was not true. Now you interject a terrible death of women and want polling on which one was worst?

Where did I claim the suffering of Jesus was 'not being a terrible death'?

 

[VickyK]

So you deny Jesus is the Word?

Please read John chapter one. Here:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory,
the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

No. I deny that the Word is Jesus.

Jesus is fully human and fully divine.

Jesus refers to the human manifestation of God.

Saying Jesus 'became flesh' makes no sense. Jesus is by definition flesh.