Must we repent in order to be forgiven?

[david-a-servant]

As His Spirit enables, agreed?

Without His Spirit, we are not His

 

[david-a-servant]

Why did Jesus have to die ,if all we had to do was do good deeds , stop sinning ect ?

Jesus died so we could become new creatures in Him. This is only possible through His Spirit

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus died so we could become new creatures in Him. This is only possible through His Spirit

Is that what 2 cor 5 .19 says ?

 

[david-a-servant]

" Jesus said " has to be one of the most abused phrases in Christendom. Its regularly said with no reguard to what ,when and who Jesus is speaking to .

Appears to me he was speaking to any man who would come after Him (follow Him).

 

[david-a-servant]

Is that what 2 cor 5 .19 says ?

Using your past logic, since you are not from Corinth, you are not entitled

Is that what 2 cor 5 .19 says ?

Yes

 

[throughfaith]

Using your past logic, since you are not from Corinth, you are not entitled


Yes

Its addressed to the Church. Every believer today is immersed into the ' body ' ,so as i am part of the body ,it is addressed to me far more than verses addressed to Israel in the OT

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus died so we could become new creatures in Him. This is only possible through His Spirit

So it sounds like you think Jesus died to give us an ' opportunity ' to be saved.

 

[throughfaith]

Appears to me he was speaking to any man who would come after Him (follow Him).

If you have already ' Romans 10,9 ' then you have already found Jesus . He hadn't Gone to the cross yet ,but he has now . Salvation isn't achieved by ' following Jesus ' ,it s believing the gospel.

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus died so we could become new creatures in Him. This is only possible through His Spirit

Which is recieved upon believing on Jesus ,death burial and resurrection for our sins according to the Scriptures. Its a one time event not a instalment scheme. We don't have partial new creature Christians walking around.

 

[throughfaith]

Appears to me he was speaking to any man who would come after Him (follow Him).

Yes they could actually hear him audibly.

 

[throughfaith]

Without His Spirit, we are not His

Without his spirit no one today will be glorified. The Holy Spirit permanently indwell s until the Adoption which is defined as the redemption of the body. Rom 8.23

 

[david-a-servant]

Which is recieved upon believing on Jesus ,death burial and resurrection for our sins according to the Scriptures. Its a one time event not a instalment scheme. We don't have partial new creature Christians walking around.

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Please explain the concern here

 

[david-a-servant]

If you have already ' Romans 10,9 ' then you have already found Jesus . He hadn't Gone to the cross yet ,but he has now . Salvation isn't achieved by ' following Jesus ' ,it s believing the gospel.

I'm curious to know if you personally are making any effort to walk in the Spirit?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

We are told many things about this, but what is the bottom line?

We cannot be saved through obedience to the law.

In Gelasian’s 2: 19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God.

Romans 6: 2 “How shall we, that dead to sin, live any more therein”.

In Matthew 3;2 we are told that the ministry of Christ centered on repentance. As Matthew spoke of Christ beginning His ministry he said consisted of: Matt:2 “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is in hand”. If we live in a state of repentance, we live by the perfection of Christ, wanting to be sinless like Christ.

Christ told us to be perfect as the Lord is perfect. We know that is impossible except through Christ. Can we accept the sin in our life as OK and still have Christ within?

We are told that if we claim perfection, we lie. Yet all our sins are forgiven through Christ and we can live as if are perfect.

We know that there is no sin except blasphemy that we can’t be forgiven for. We also know we can depend completely on the promises of the Lord, and we are promised forgiveness if we repent and ask.

What is the bottom line from all these?

Do you sin?

 

[david-a-servant]

Yes they could actually hear him audibly.

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; "

 

[Lisamn]

The clue to the book of Hebrews is in who its written to ..HEBREWS .So its best understood in light of who the Author is addressing.

Isn’t it written to Christians? Only Christians know Jesus.

Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.​

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‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.​

 

[david-a-servant]

Isn’t it written to Christians? Only Christians know Jesus.

Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.​

‭‭

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.​

it is clearly written to Christians as are all the books of the New Testament

 

[oyster67]

So it sounds like you think Jesus died to give us an ' opportunity ' to be saved.

And that would be a true fact.

 

[throughfaith]

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Please explain the concern here

Maturing as believers. But that doesn't effect the ' spiritual resurrection that has taken place. What we do with our time and resources matters ,but it doesn't change our ' regeneration ' and sealing by the Holy spirit .

 

[throughfaith]

I'm curious to know if you personally are making any effort to walk in the Spirit?

We ARE in the Spirit. You cannot reverse this . So walk as you ARE .