"The Soul That Sinneth, It SHALL Die."

[Phoneman-777]

Jesus told who. Read the verse. Are you them?

You and me...He told us that if we failed to abide continually in Him, we would wind up in the fire...the Lake of Fire.

I think you should cease from all this rationalization and focus on why you and your likeminded people work so hard to formulate a false Gospel that allows you to hold onto sin and Jesus at the same time.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No one is saying they are granted to sin .

That is absolutely what you teach...that you can keep willfully sinning and still go to heaven. The Bible says the exact opposite in Hebrews 10:26 KJV - once we receive the knowledge of the truth, and turn back to sin, the Cross ceases to benefit us.

Not "hear" or "become aware" or "contemplate" or "entertain" -- but receive in our hearts, our minds, our spirit -- once we receive the knowledge of the truth and the converting power of Christ which is bound up in it, and turn back to a life of sin, it's all over.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Are you catholic ?

Do you hear me quoting the catechisms, what father so and so says, or the word of the Pope?

Or Sola Scriptura?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Keeping the commandments is what those who are in the tribulation are required to do . You do not rightly divide . You do not understand the bible.

Are you Catholic? Because your eschatological interpretation is PURELY JESUIT - aka "Jesuit Futurism" which chops off the 70th Week of Daniel and sends it down to the end of time where some evil future Antichrist is going to sit in some supposed rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and broker a supposed 7 year peace treaty between the Arabs and Jews before breaking it 3 1/2 years...blah blah. If you don't believe me, you can ask Pedophile in Chief Jorge about 16th century Jesuit Francisco Ribera, the author of this nonsense.

 

[Phoneman-777]

He died for the sins of the whole world . Why are you saying people are going to hell paying for sins ..Jesus already paid them .

Yes, He died for everyone, but most are going to hell, right? Trump sent out stimulus checks to everyone, but if you refuse deposit into your bank account, what good is it?

Likewise, Jesus died to pay the sin debt for everyone, but if you refuse to except payment, you have to pay the debt yourself in the Lake of Fire.. that's why there are varying degrees of suffering in the Lake of Fire, depending on the amount of dirt you did in this life. For instance, Hitler's gonna suffer way more than some impenitent crack dealing pimp. Comprendo?

 

[Magenta]

You can claim salvation grants you freedom to sin indiscriminately all you want and still go to heaven, but that doesn't make it so. People have been making up their own doctrines since the beginning, as 2 Corinthians 2:17 attests.

Sinning indiscriminately all one wants? smh. Why does anyone jump to this erroneous extreme view?

 

[Phoneman-777]

You've been listening to David Pawson too much .

Who's that?

 

[throughfaith]

You and me...He told us that if we failed to abide continually in Him, we would wind up in the fire...the Lake of Fire.

I think you should cease from all this rationalization and focus on why you and your likeminded people work so hard to formulate a false Gospel that allows you to hold onto sin and Jesus at the same time.

 

[throughfaith]

You and me...He told us that if we failed to abide continually in Him, we would wind up in the fire...the Lake of Fire.

I think you should cease from all this rationalization and focus on why you and your likeminded people work so hard to formulate a false Gospel that allows you to hold onto sin and Jesus at the same time.

He told US ? Where ? I read Jesus speaking to Jewish Diciples. Are you Noah also. Is any verse spoken to someone in the bible, do you also make that about you ?

 

[throughfaith]

That is absolutely what you teach...that you can keep willfully sinning and still go to heaven. The Bible says the exact opposite in Hebrews 10:26 KJV - once we receive the knowledge of the truth, and turn back to sin, the Cross ceases to benefit us.

Not "hear" or "become aware" or "contemplate" or "entertain" -- but receive in our hearts, our minds, our spirit -- once we receive the knowledge of the truth and the converting power of Christ which is bound up in it, and turn back to a life of sin, it's all over.

During the tribulation yes .

 

[throughfaith]

Do you hear me quoting the catechisms, what father so and so says, or the word of the Pope?

Or Sola Scriptura?

Your parroting the same verses taken out of context, The Catholics, Jehovah witnesses , Mormons and all false religions and cults use .

 

[Journeyman]

Many claim this verse, and the others below, refers to a future "spiritual death" of the soul where it will spend eternity in torment.

This can't be referring to the future...why?

When the Bible speaks of "spiritual death", it puts it in the present tense, not future tense:

"She that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth." -- 1 Timothy 5:6 KJV​

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Clearly, spiritual death has nothing to do with the future, but with the present, and therefore the soul that resists Jesus until the end will experience a literal death, not a spiritual death BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

Other texts which point to this future literal death of the soul:

"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner...shall save a soul from death..." -- James 5:20 KJV

"...can destroy (in the future) both soul and body in hell." -- Matthew 10:28 KJV

...every living soul died in the sea." -- Revelation 16:3 KJV

"And it shall come to pass that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed..." -- Acts 3:23 KJV

The problem is, people have been deluded into thinking the law teaches, the soul that sins, someone else will die.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Sinning indiscriminately all one wants? smh. Why does anyone jump to this erroneous extreme view?

We don't need the Bible to tell us how pleasurable sin is, though it makes this fact plain. So, leftist "Christians" who want to enjoy sin but also want eternal life have devised a false gospel with which they can grasp both...they attempt to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[Magenta]

We don't need the Bible to tell us how pleasurable sin is, though it makes this fact plain. So, leftist "Christians" who want to enjoy sin but also want eternal life have devised a false gospel with which they can grasp both...they attempt to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

If their faith is dead they are not Christian. End of story. What nominal Christians do is another story

 

[Phoneman-777]

He told US ? Where ? I read Jesus speaking to Jewish Diciples. Are you Noah also. Is any verse spoken to someone in the bible, do you also make that about you ?

No such thing as "Jewish Disciples" -- just disciples. What you are suggesting is that everything Jesus told His followers before His death ceased to be applicable to the lives of His disciples after His death, which is so asinine Dispensationalist, I doesn't warrant serious consideration.

 

[Phoneman-777]

If their faith is dead they are not Christian. End of story. What nominal Christians do is another story

No spiritual Switzerland, though I'm reminded of Charles Stanley's "3 categories of spiritual health: lost, saved, and carnal Christians".

Jesus said there's only 2: "He that is not with Me is against Me".

 

[Phoneman-777]

During the tribulation yes .

So, for the entire history of the world, God demanded everyone accept His Word by faith alone WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, but the people who live during the "last seven years" of Earth's history don't have to exercise a shred of faith after they see planes and cars crashing and a billion Christians disappear in a Rapture? What a great example of the fairness and equity of God, right?

 

[Magenta]

No spiritual Switzerland, though I'm reminded of Charles Stanley's "3 categories of spiritual health: lost, saved, and carnal Christians".

Jesus said there's only 2: "He that is not with Me is against Me".

One is either born again of the Holy Spirit of God, or they are not. I agree: there is no in-between.

 

[throughfaith]

No such thing as "Jewish Disciples" -- just disciples. What you are suggesting is that everything Jesus told His followers before His death ceased to be applicable to the lives of His disciples after His death, which is so asinine Dispensationalist, I doesn't warrant serious consideration.

Who is Jesus speaking to ? Who is God speaking to when he says " build an Ark " ? How about " don't eat from that tree " ? is that to us also ? . This is called faulty reasoning ." Hes speaking to a man , I'm a man therfore he's speaking directly to me " . I'm considered a disciple, therefore he's speaking to me " ...this is the problem with Christians today . Every verse is speaking to them .

 

[Aerials1978]

That is absolutely what you teach...that you can keep willfully sinning and still go to heaven. The Bible says the exact opposite in Hebrews 10:26 KJV - once we receive the knowledge of the truth, and turn back to sin, the Cross ceases to benefit us.

Not "hear" or "become aware" or "contemplate" or "entertain" -- but receive in our hearts, our minds, our spirit -- once we receive the knowledge of the truth and the converting power of Christ which is bound up in it, and turn back to a life of sin, it's all over.

The writer of Hebrews was speaking of Jews who knew of Jesus, heard the message of the salvation and rejected it. They wanted to return to law of Moses. Many people have received “The knowledge of truth” and have chosen to deny it. The writer is saying there is no other sacrifice to be given except Christ’s

Gods keeps His word. Those that have been sealed are sealed for eternity. A Believer who chooses to continually sin will receive discipline from the Lord and may lose their earthy life, but not their salvation.

“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.”