Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?

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Lisamn

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The wrath we are not destined for is the spiritual wrath that occurs in hell. We will get rewards instead.

Jesus taught enduring persecution and hardships. Check Matthew 24:10-13 for example. The one who endures to the end will be saved.
Sure but what about the wrath to come in the trib...aren’t we also immune from that?

Revelation‬ ‭16:1‬ ‭
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple, saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out on the earth the seven bowls of the wrath of God.
 

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Its speaking of Christians who once had faith...why the Spirit is involved and says explicitly..no ifs ands or buts that this will happen.‭‭
No it isn't.

Sure "the Spirit speaketh expressly" that this indeed will take place.

But it is saying "shall depart from THE faith" (not one's personal faith [/belief/trust]). It is speaking of FALSE TEACHERS (with regard to "that BODY OF TRUTH" i.e. "THE faith"... the CONTENT of our faith).




[It is not speaking of Christians losing or forfeiting salvation; rather, it is in CONTRAST to "the words OF THE faith and OF THE good doctrine/teaching" v.6 (thus, FALSE TEACHERS and FALSE TEACHINGS)]
 

BenjaminN

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All I am saying is that postrib rapture is IMPOSSIBLE.
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2) "BEFORE" in mat 24 can not possibly be "AFTER"
Brother, Matthew 24 does read "after".

Brother, completely empty your mind of all man invented preconceived notions, imagine yourself on an island where you grew up alone among the animals from early childhood and had no prior exposure of the gospel. Then just read only the whole of Matthew 24 literally, chronologically for what it is, it and only it, and form your concept solely upon it. What does it tell you at this stage. From there proceed with the rest of scripture, and see how it fits in on this foundation block of Matthew 24, in the words of the Master Builder of His Church, His Bride, the Restorer of the Kingdom of Israel, our blessed Christ Yeshua, speaking to all his united believers of the future, Jews and Gentiles alike.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

29“Immediately after the tribulation...

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

The Coming of the Son of Man
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

Lisamn

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No it isn't.

Sure "the Spirit speaketh expressly" that this indeed will take place.

But it is saying "shall depart from THE faith" (not one's personal faith [/belief/trust]). It is speaking of FALSE TEACHERS (with regard to "that BODY OF TRUTH" i.e. "THE faith"... the CONTENT of our faith).




[It is not speaking of Christians losing or forfeiting salvation; rather, it is in CONTRAST to "the words OF THE faith and OF THE good doctrine/teaching" v.6 (thus, FALSE TEACHERS and FALSE TEACHINGS)]
You are adding to the simplicity of scripture.

Who can be of the faith but Christians? Especially when the Sprit tells us this will happen in God’s word the Bible.
 
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Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture allowing the antichrist to, without resistance of any significant power, ascend to his place to declare himself the god in the temple?

2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.

Is this preached escapism lulling God's people to passivity and inaction, about the reality of the beast, so that the beast can achieve his place, uncontested by God's people, so they as God's people, may be removed by deception, from all power of resistance, restricting the beast's coming - 2 Thess 2:7 - Please pray about this message of deception, being spread most certainly unknowingly, and being used by wanting the best for God's children. This is inconveniently false doctrine, contrary to God's scriptured will. The first resurrected dead, being raptured with those believers alive, comes out of the great tribulation, and are those that died for their testimony in Christ.

Rev 20:5 - The ----first resurrection (happening AFTER the great tribulation)---- is of those who died during the great tribulation, by the hand of the beast:


Revelation 20 (ESV)

4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.


1Thess 4:16-17 - During the rapture, at the return of Christ, the first resurrection takes place, of those who died for their testimony of Christ:

1 Thessalonians 4 (ESV)

16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Read Matthew 24, for the consecutive ordered scripture, describing what comes before and after Christ's second coming - as per the Church fathers' explained Post-Tribulation, Pre-Millenium return of Christ, classical Millenialism.

John 16 (ESV)

33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."

As far as the Rapture is concerned: If you are not following all of Jesus' commandments, including watching (that means reading Scripture yourself and praying for divine guidance, while testing all spirits and teaching) you can very likely believe that your neighbor is being hauled off to a camp for extermination because they're a criminal, and not a Christian.

One might just take the Mark, because you believe He's coming before it is issued, so you don't recognize it. And, you may believe that the Church won't be going through a time of Tribulation, so there is no harm to agreeing to what the world is offering, much like you submit to wearing a mask today. At that point, taking the Mark, that person is lost forever.

They should have asked God what the truth is through their own study of the Word, and been waiting and watching for His Second Coming (Jesus tells us all when the Rapture is - read Matthew 24), when the one and only resurrection of the dead in Christ happens, followed by the living. Immediately, He delivers His wrath ( in 7 bowls) upon the earth. Just like in the days of Noah and Lot, He rescues His Children, then pours out His Wrath upon the unrighteous only.
 

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Does anyone think these people in Congress, who are thieves, pro-abortion, liars, and call themselves Christians are of Christ? LOL
No.

Yes. I think they are 5 fake Christians, who had not the Spirit of God living in them. The Holy Spirit is likened unto oil here, thus they will have to make a choice during the tribulation.
Yes, filling your lamp with oil, is preparing yourself to have faith by the grace of the Holy Spirit, even to bear fruit during the time of the great tribulation, whether it will mean your death, capture or persecution by fleeing to escape in the hardships of the wilderness, for helping your fellow man through this perilous time to come fro believers, immediately before the return of the Bridegroom, and by not renouncing Christ Yeshua's name by taking the mark of the beast.

Matthew 13 (New King James Version)

Five foolish virgins' lamps not filled with true faith, by the grace of the Holy Spirit:
20But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

Five wise virgins' lamps filled with true faith, by the grace of the Holy Spirit:
23But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
 

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Those verses don't need to say they are listed off the ground because other verses already explain that when Christ returns that people are caught up. Other verses say they are gathered by angels.
No. Not when Christ "RETURNS" to the earth. Ppl are NOT "caught UP" at that point. He will be "RETURNING" to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom at that point (as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom, FOR "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself, which will have ALREADY taken place up in Heaven... and now He'll be RETURNING to the earth [Rev19]).

No one (of the "righteous") in THESE contexts "lift off the earth" because He is "RETURNING" to the earth at that point (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom--the Subject of those passages).


You know very well that we have to take multiple scriptures into account to form all components of a doctrine.
Yes, and ALL of the following contexts speak of His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the earthly MK age) [NOT "our Rapture"]:

--"Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/coming of/etc" (FOR the earthly MK age)

--"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER/FESTIVITIES" (the earthly MK age, or at least its inauguration); the MEAL [G347; Matt8:11 and parallel, and Lk12:36-37,38,42-44 and its parallel in Matt24]

--"the end [singular] of the age [singular]" followed immediately by "the age [singular] to come" (the earthly MK age)--their Q of Him in Matt24:3 was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 ("the end [singular] of the age [singular]" when the angels will REAP... "gather ye FIRST the TARES" which is the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of "our Rapture" event!!!) Jesus' response then follows in both chpts of Matt24-25 (speaking of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, for the EARTHLY MK age... NOT covering the Subject of "our Rapture" AT ALL, in this CONTEXT)

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" (the earthly MK age)

--when the 12 will "sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" (the earthly MK age)


[NONE of the CONTEXTS involving these ^ are speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event... which PRECEDES the tribulation period even... and the TRIB years COMMENCE with "the BEGINNING of birth PANGS [plural]" which ARE the "SEALS" of Rev6 at the START of the Trib (that is, "the beginning of birth PANGS" FOLLOW "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" event, and are what "kick off" the 7 trib yrs / 70th Wk... with its "man of sin" IN HIS TIME ["whose COMING" 2Th2:9a = SEAL #1 = "the prince THAT SHALL COME" "for ONE WEEK [7 yrs]" Dan9:27a[26b] = the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3 / Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception!])]
 

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I’m pre wrath and I have thought that we aren’t destined to wrath..that’s why there is a rapture, don’t ya think?

Ya...I think that’s people‘s fears/fantasy about tribulation talking...I won’t be here but God will have someone else experience that. I still am unsure how if one reads the Bible they can come to that conclusion.

Post trib...after the wrath of God?
The Israelites had persecution and tribulation during their captivity as slaves in Egypt. While being present with the Egyptians in Egypt, they were under divine guidance being kept from God's wrath (not from persecution and tribulation as imposed by fellow human beings), when it was poured out over the Egyptians, during the ten plagues. They were physically still present, but they were kept from God's wrath, as it did not affect them.
 

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The Israelites had persecution and tribulation during their captivity as slaves in Egypt. While being present with the Egyptians in Egypt, they were under divine guidance being kept from God's wrath (not from persecution and tribulation as imposed by fellow human beings), when it was poured out over the Egyptians, during the ten plagues. They were physically still present, but they were kept from God's wrath, as it did not affect them.
Isn’t that what the rapture is for?
 

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What do you mean by this?
Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

15“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation ... 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days ... 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 21 (English Standard Version)

36But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Revelation 13 (English Standard Version)

10If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.

Matthew 13 (New King James Version)

20But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 23But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
 

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The Israelites had persecution and tribulation during their captivity as slaves in Egypt. While being present with the Egyptians in Egypt, they were under divine guidance being kept from God's wrath (not from persecution and tribulation as imposed by fellow human beings), when it was poured out over the Egyptians, during the ten plagues. They were physically still present, but they were kept from God's wrath, as it did not affect them.
Isn’t that what the rapture is for?
No. Divine providence is keeping those who are still alive at His coming, through the hardships coming over the earth in the last days, when the sun finally is darkened and the moon turns into blood. After that, the rapture is Christ Yeshua's gathering of His bride, of those resurrected dead believers, and transfigured alive believers. He is collecting them in the clouds, before He immediately thereafter mounts down on earth, with the saints and the armies of heaven, to conquer this earth for the start of His Millennial Kingdom.

With His collective army He captures this earth, from the collective of all the remaining unbelievers, who were left behind in the immediate preceding rapture. Those who are still at that moment alive in unbelief, on earth, will then be conquered by Christ Yeshua, commencing His Millennial Kingdom.
 

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Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

15“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation ... 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days ... 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 21 (English Standard Version)

36But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Revelation 13 (English Standard Version)

10If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.

Matthew 13 (New King James Version)

20But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 23But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
Isn’t Matthew 24 verses you quoted for Jews..after all the they are the ones that will be in Jerusalem when the abomination happens and He is telling them to flee to Judea. Isn’t that when God turns His attention back to Israel and He protects her in the wilderness?
 

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As far as the Rapture is concerned: If you are not following all of Jesus' commandments, including watching (that means reading Scripture yourself and praying for divine guidance, while testing all spirits and teaching) you can very likely believe that your neighbor is being hauled off to a camp for extermination because they're a criminal, and not a Christian.

One might just take the Mark, because you believe He's coming before it is issued, so you don't recognize it. And, you may believe that the Church won't be going through a time of Tribulation, so there is no harm to agreeing to what the world is offering, much like you submit to wearing a mask today. At that point, taking the Mark, that person is lost forever.

They should have asked God what the truth is through their own study of the Word, and been waiting and watching for His Second Coming (Jesus tells us all when the Rapture is - read Matthew 24), when the one and only resurrection of the dead in Christ happens, followed by the living. Immediately, He delivers His wrath ( in 7 bowls) upon the earth. Just like in the days of Noah and Lot, He rescues His Children, then pours out His Wrath upon the unrighteous only.
Yes, the God's word is clear that the real mark will accompany worshipping with it, and it will not be worshipping God.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
 

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Isn’t Matthew 24 verses you quoted for Jews..after all the they are the ones that will be in Jerusalem when the abomination happens and He is telling them to flee to Judea. Isn’t that when God turns His attention back to Israel and He protects her in the wilderness?
Some erroneously consider Israel as all Jews and just Jews ( see http://bit.ly/Christianzionism ). Israel consisted of a northern Samarian kingdom under the tribes of Ephraim / Joseph (who are currently still scattered among the Gentiles unbeknownst of their Israelite identity), and the southern Judean kingdom under the tribes of Judah (who are currently gathered into the Jews.)

The abomination is a world wide false religious tyranny, affecting Christian Jews and Christian Gentiles alike, or if you prefer Christ Yeshua believing Jews and Christ Yeshua believing Gentiles alike, as they are united in one olive tree (Body of Christ, the Church, the restored Kingdom of Israel) with Christ Yeshua as the Root (Romans 11).

The fulfilment of the great commission is the process of the yet unfulfilled physical restored Kingdom of Israel, the completed Body of Christ, the Church prophesy (Ezekiel 37 through Ezekiel 48). It will be fulfilled in the Millennial Kingdom of Christ Yeshua (only at the time of His second coming as prophesied in Revelation 20:4-8).

Acts 1 (New King James Version)

6Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
 
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I don't have 2 Thess 2:6-7 figured out yet but my guess is that Paul had taught them something out of Daniel on this and is reminding them about what he previously taught them. We should be able to study Daniel and pick up on what Paul taught them and figure out the mystery that he was explaining from the book of Daniel. Look for references that might relate to "the mystery of iniquity" the references to the man of sin, son of perdition, that Wicked, and the abomination of desolation, but the mention he that restrains or holds back, taken out of the way could be related to this ...."At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered. I really think the answer is in Daniel. And Paul might have explained this to them. If you remember it was Michael that had to deal with the Prince of Persia in order for Gabriel to get to Daniel.
I don't understand it but there might be something related to "Holding back or restraining" that Michael will take care of when the mystery of iniquity is full, when "God has decided ENOUGH" or the cup of the sin of the gentiles is full. And Michael might already have specific orders to release something that allows THAT WICKED to go forth and have his moment of un restrained reign.

This is obviously all about a teaching from Daniel that he had previously explained to them. Unfortunately we were not there to hear it. However, God planned it this way. God wants us to trust the Holy Spirit to illuminate us as we study Daniel and get the same revelation that Paul had taught them. This is the challenge. Only a few will try, and only a few (in comparison to the masses) will have the condition of heart to understand.

4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed,

I think I am on the right trail. I just have to give it more attention. I think what I have presented is very close to the explanation.
For your consideration on 2 Thess 2:6-7 interpretation:

There are 7 Spirits of God and Jesus contains and expresses them all (Rev 5:6)

Isa 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Rev 3:1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.​

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

One of those seven spirits is "MIGHT" I find it impossible to believe that the Godhead has left the earth alone with unrestrained evil for thousands of years; we'd have destroyed ourselves long ago. He has always been holding back the works of darkness (many times according to our prayers), but always according to the Father's Will, throughout the ages.

I submit "He" from 2 Thessalonians is Jesus, exercising the spirit of might, and He is today waiting for the signal from the Father to stop restraining evil on the earth, at which moment, Satan will be unleashed to commit unbridled atrocities during the Tribulation (Matt 24:21). The following verse supports the assertions made:

Psa 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.​
 

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I don't have 2 Thess 2:6-7 figured out yet ...
Maybe this translation will shed light on the revealing of the man of lawlessness (spirit of lawlessness, already at work in the time of Paul), who is currently still restraining himself from revealing himself, until the apostasy has reached critical mass, for him to be corruptly incontestable and undefeatable with the workings of deceit:

https://biblehub.com/isr/2_thessalonians/2.htm

2 Thessalonians 2 (ISR 1998)

1As to the coming of our Master יהושע Messiah and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers,
2not to become easily unsettled in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as if the day of יהוה has come.
3Let no one deceive you in any way, because the falling away is to come first, and the man of lawlessnessa is to be revealed, the son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohim or that is worshipped, so that he sits as Elohim in the Dwelling Place of Elohim, showing himself that he is Elohim.
5Do you not remember that I told you this while I was still with you?
6And now you know what restrains, for him to be revealed in his time.
7For the secret of lawlessness is already at work – only until he who now restrains comes out of the midst.
 
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For your consideration on 2 Thess 2:6-7 interpretation:

There are 7 Spirits of God and Jesus contains and expresses them all (Rev 5:6)

Isa 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Rev 3:1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.​

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

One of those seven spirits is "MIGHT" I find it impossible to believe that the Godhead has left the earth alone with unrestrained evil for thousands of years; we'd have destroyed ourselves long ago. He has always been holding back the works of darkness (many times according to our prayers), but always according to the Father's Will, throughout the ages.

I submit "He" from 2 Thessalonians is Jesus, exercising the spirit of might, and He is today waiting for the signal from the Father to stop restraining evil on the earth, at which moment, Satan will be unleashed to commit unbridled atrocities during the Tribulation (Matt 24:21). The following verse supports the assertions made:

Psa 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.​
I think it is Michael from Daniel 12:1
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered
 
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Maybe this translation will shed light on the revealing of the man of lawlessness (spirit of lawlessness, already at work in the time of Paul), who is currently still restraining himself from revealing himself, until the apostasy has reached critical mass, for him to be corruptly incontestable and undefeatable with the workings of deceit:

https://biblehub.com/isr/2_thessalonians/2.htm

2 Thessalonians 2 (ISR 1998)

1As to the coming of our Master יהושע Messiah and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers,
2not to become easily unsettled in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as if the day of יהוה has come.
3Let no one deceive you in any way, because the falling away is to come first, and the man of lawlessnessa is to be revealed, the son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohim or that is worshipped, so that he sits as Elohim in the Dwelling Place of Elohim, showing himself that he is Elohim.
5Do you not remember that I told you this while I was still with you?
6And now you know what restrains, for him to be revealed in his time.
7For the secret of lawlessness is already at work – only until he who now restrains comes out of the midst.
I still think it is Michael from Daniel 12:1

"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered
 

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2 Thessalonians 2 (ISR 1998)

11And for this reason Elohim sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood,a
12in order that all should be judged who did not believe the truth, but have delighted in the unrighteousness.