Is the law a blessing or a curse?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
There is only one, the law of Moses. Paul said we are dead to that law or at least we are supposed to be. Not being dead to it is to be wrong. The law of Christ is the only valid law for Christians.
(Hebrews 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; [This is speaking after Christ's final sacrifice so sorry your mistaken Law is still there not abolished]
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
7,312
2,428
113
There is only one, the law of Moses. Paul said we are dead to that law or at least we are supposed to be. Not being dead to it is to be wrong. The law of Christ is the only valid law for Christians.
This cannot be, for the ten commandments were given by Moses and they contain ways to love. If we love we do not lie, do not steal, do not murder. Moses was also told to give commands that are not laws but that taught the Israelites about the law like diet to teach keeping pure and fleshly circumcision to teach to be circumcised to the lord. Paul called them schoolmasters. These are the laws of Moses. The holy spirit replaces these laws.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
This cannot be, for the ten commandments were given by Moses and they contain ways to love. If we love we do not lie, do not steal, do not murder. Moses was also told to give commands that are not laws but that taught the Israelites about the law like diet to teach keeping pure and fleshly circumcision to teach to be circumcised to the lord. Paul called them schoolmasters. These are the laws of Moses. The holy spirit replaces these laws.
I don't think they realize the ritual laws ordinances one had to follow in order to be justified to God but obviously Christ's sacrifice fulfilled all this.
 

ewq1938

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2018
5,075
1,279
113
This cannot be, for the ten commandments were given by Moses and they contain ways to love. If we love we do not lie, do not steal, do not murder. Moses was also told to give commands that are not laws but that taught the Israelites about the law like diet to teach keeping pure and fleshly circumcision to teach to be circumcised to the lord. Paul called them schoolmasters. These are the laws of Moses. The holy spirit replaces these laws.
The law of Christ replaced the old laws. We are no longer under the old schoolmaster. We are dead to the dead of Moses, freed from it's bondage.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
The law of Christ replaced the old laws. We are no longer under the old schoolmaster. We are dead to the dead of Moses, freed from it's bondage.
Sorry you lost me.
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
7,312
2,428
113
The law of Christ replaced the old laws. We are no longer under the old schoolmaster. We are dead to the dead of Moses, freed from it's bondage.
How can you possible separate the laws that the Lord gave to man? The only separation I can see in the laws is the separation of love. God is love, and if a law reflects love, how can you say it is not of God so we are "no longer in bondage".

Obedience to law gives freedom, not bondage. If it binds and is not a blessing, it is not a law of the Lord. Just ask an alcoholic or a person with any addiction if he is in bondage or freedom. To love is to be free, to hate is to be in bondage.
 

ewq1938

Well-known member
Oct 18, 2018
5,075
1,279
113
How can you possible separate the laws that the Lord gave to man? The only separation I can see in the laws is the separation of love. God is love, and if a law reflects love, how can you say it is not of God so we are "no longer in bondage".

Obedience to law gives freedom, not bondage. If it binds and is not a blessing, it is not a law of the Lord. Just ask an alcoholic or a person with any addiction if he is in bondage or freedom. To love is to be free, to hate is to be in bondage.
One is not to be dead to a blessing but to be dead to a curse is appropriate. Paul taught that we are to be dead to the law. Some people here are going against Paul on this.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
Thank you :)

I was trying to find the post where Paul said, God forbid!

We establish the law but are not under the law.
I knew you were coming back and yes were not under it its in your heart.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,614
13,863
113
Keeping the three (or seven) annual feasts seems to stick in your craw. It is not a law, it is a suggestion of the Lord as the best way to understand his plan of salvation, to praise Him, and to celebrate Him.

We are to look at the suggestions of the lord and judge them as to law or schoolmasters through the law of love and whether it is part of the kingdom of the lord. Is keeping the feasts part of the love as we are told all law is or is it like fleshly circumcision? Cutting flesh is not preforming an act of love it is a teacher of the law and we are not obligated to the teaching commands. Are the feasts teachers or acts of love?
In Exodus 23:14-17, God says,

14 “Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.

"You shall" and "as I commanded you" don't sound like "suggestions" to me. Rather, they sound like laws which is appropriate as they are part of the Law.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
In Exodus 23:14-17, God says,

14 “Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt. And no one is to appear before Me empty-handed. 16 Also you shall keep the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.

"You shall" and "as I commanded you" don't sound like "suggestions" to me. Rather, they sound like laws which is appropriate as they are part of the Law.
Are you going to go to the Holy temple which some of these feasts required. Oh the temple is not there anymore.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,614
13,863
113
Are you asking because you don't know whether you should keep feast days or are you trying to catch me in error I'm thinking it's the latter.
I am not "trying to catch you in error"; that's long-since established; I'm showing you the folly of your position.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
I'm not advocating adherence to the Law; you are.
I never mentioned feasts days once although I do think you should acknowledge communion with non alcoholic grape juice.
 

echoChrist

Active member
Dec 22, 2020
266
52
28
I am not "trying to catch you in error"; that's long-since established; I'm showing you the folly of your position.
With what man fabricated doctrine sorry not interested.