Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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eternally-gratefull

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Scripture is NOT garbage. The law is eternal. The Lord gave some commands that act as schoolteachers to lead to the law, and those commands were not the law. The Lord then gave the law in our hearts, not needing a schoolteacher. Fleshly circumcision was one of these schoolteacher commands. God made the "schoolteacher" laws obsolete, but to say all law is obsolete because the schoolteacher laws are is wrong. This is not garbage, it is scripture.
So God gave SOME commands to act as a schoolmaster to lead to the LAW?

please show this in scripture
 

Blik

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No love is the achievement of keeping God's word and commandments some just misinterpret that verse like many other verses.
Any post about keeping the law as Jesus asks us to do will bring heaps of wrath on your head from other posters.

Remember God loves you and protects you from enemies. In Psalm 5 David speaks to those who bow before the Lord with reverence.
 

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Any post about keeping the law as Jesus asks us to do will bring heaps of wrath on your head from other posters.
In Matthew !9:16 Jesus was asked what must be done to inherit eternal life. His answer: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17) The commandments Jesus then listed? Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Not the 613 mitzvot, not a peep about Sabbath keeping, and no mention of the natural laws of the universe, which for some strange reason you have started mixing in with your incessant talk of the law. Hey, Blik, guess what? You do not keep the commandments.
 

Dino246

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Scripture is NOT garbage.
I didn't say that it was. Here are your words to which I responded:

"Scripture is accurate and tells the truth as it is, we have only to accept it. This time it is quite important, for we are not to say that the Lord has cancelled His instructions to us, and saying the schoolmaster means making all law of no use to us is quite serious. It even means that you are saying that God speaks with a forked tongue, for other scriptures say the law is written in stone, it cannot be erased."

The only sentence with which I can agree is the first. You accused me of saying that God speaks with a forked tongue; THAT is garbage.

The law is eternal. The Lord gave some commands that act as schoolteachers to lead to the law, and those commands were not the law. The Lord then gave the law in our hearts, not needing a schoolteacher. Fleshly circumcision was one of these schoolteacher commands. God made the "schoolteacher" laws obsolete, but to say all law is obsolete because the schoolteacher laws are is wrong. This is not garbage, it is scripture.
No, it is not Scripture. This, Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV), is Scripture:

"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Nobody has claimed that ALL law is obsolete. What I am stating is that, according to Scripture, the Sinai covenant, which encompasses the Law as given through Moses to Israel, is obsolete. The Scripture says this in Hebrews 8:13: "When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear."
 

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Any post about keeping the law as Jesus asks us to do will bring heaps of wrath on your head from other posters.
Wrath? You use lightly a word for something truly terrible. Disagreement is not wrath. Telling you that you are objectively wrong is not wrath. God's eternal judgment on unrepentant sinners is wrath.
 

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1. I have no followers. Where did you get all of this pride?
2. we do not call it that, Jesus did, and we follow Jesus, he does not follow us
3. if we love God and Love our neighbor, (in the law your neighbor was your fellow jew. In the NT your neighborhood is anyone including you enemy) you will by practice, keep his commands,
4. does this love come from us? No, we love because he first loved us, does it come fro the law? No, the law exposes our sin to lead is to Christ, Ournlove comes from Christ,

you want to go back to law. Feel free.
God bless you.
 

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Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV), is Scripture:

"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Nobody has claimed that ALL law is obsolete. What I am stating is that, according to Scripture, the Sinai covenant, which encompasses the Law as given through Moses to Israel, is obsolete. The Scripture says this in Hebrews 8:13: "When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear."


Galatians 3:22-25 :)
 

echoChrist

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Any post about keeping the law as Jesus asks us to do will bring heaps of wrath on your head from other posters.

Remember God loves you and protects you from enemies. In Psalm 5 David speaks to those who bow before the Lord with reverence.
Maybe if they live a long life like you they will be wise enough to understand (Proverbs 3:1-2) 1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
 

echoChrist

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Maybe if they live a long life like you they will be wise enough to understand (Proverbs 3:1-2) 1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
The lord showed me that verse just for you and who oppose the truth in you.
 

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Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

So we being dead to the law frees us from the law as many scriptures affirm. The old law is dead, we are then in response dead to that law and free to re-marry a new husband and law...the law of Christ no longer bound to the old law.
 

echoChrist

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Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

So we being dead to the law frees us from the law as many scriptures affirm. The old law is dead, we are then in response dead to that law and free to re-marry a new husband and law...the law of Christ no longer bound to the old law.
Yeah your free to do whatever you want if thats how you want to interpret it yeah there is no law oh and look what happened at capital when people aren't lawkeepers lawlessness.
 

ewq1938

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Yeah your free to do whatever you want if thats how you want to interpret it yeah there is no law oh and look what happened at capital when people aren't lawkeepers lawlessness.
Paul says Christians are dead to the law (of Moses). I agree with him. Do you agree it's good to be dead to the law or do you disagree with Paul?
 

echoChrist

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Paul says Christians are dead to the law (of Moses). I agree with him. Do you agree it's good to be dead to the law or do you disagree with Paul?
I agree with Jesus who said if you love me keep my commandments and he never said otherwise nor did his followers.
 

ewq1938

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I agree with Jesus who said if you love me keep my commandments and he never said otherwise nor did his followers.
That avoids the question:

Paul says Christians are dead to the law (of Moses). I agree with him. Do you agree it's good to be dead to the law or do you disagree with Paul?
 

Dino246

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Yeah your free to do whatever you want if thats how you want to interpret it yeah there is no law oh and look what happened at capital when people aren't lawkeepers lawlessness.
Fallacy: false dichotomy. Freedom in Christ from the old covenant law is nothing at all like lawlessness.
 

echoChrist

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Paul says Christians are dead to the law (of Moses). I agree with him. Do you agree it's good to be dead to the law or do you disagree with Paul?
That avoids the question:

Paul says Christians are dead to the law (of Moses). I agree with him. Do you agree it's good to be dead to the law or do you disagree with Paul?
I think you need to go back and study the purpose of ritual ordinances which you are dead to if you truly have life in Christ and th
Fallacy: false dichotomy. Freedom in Christ from the old covenant law is nothing at all like lawlessness.
But teaching there is no law is teaching lawlessness. I have to go by what God says not man (Romans 3:31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. [establish is what it says not abolish]
 

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Would be much easier just to say, "I'm not going to answer that question."

I think you need to go back and study the purpose of ritual ordinances which you are dead to if you truly have life in Christ and th

But teaching there is no law is teaching lawlessness. I have to go by what God says not man (Romans 3:31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. [establish is what it says not abolish]
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Any post about keeping the law as Jesus asks us to do will bring heaps of wrath on your head from other posters.

Remember God loves you and protects you from enemies. In Psalm 5 David speaks to those who bow before the Lord with reverence.
Jesus told you to keep the law where?

jesus told us to love, and in doing so, we will by practice keep the law

yes, when people tell us to return to phariseeism,, we will appose them. That’s what Paul and Jesus did, and if I remember, they both told us to follow them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Maybe if they live a long life like you they will be wise enough to understand (Proverbs 3:1-2) 1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
Where does I say that law is the law of Moses?

how Did david keep the law about his own personal sin, when as he said in psalms that sacrifice and burnt offering God did not desire concerning his sin? Is that not against the law of Moses. The same law you insist is in proverbs?