Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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Are you trying too say that by discussing the issue..that people are sowing discord? Or just the ones that name call?
I’d rather look at the issue this way..
If we who know the truth of it can help another see and help them have the oil now...all the better don’t ya think?
I’d rather look at the issue this way..
Proverbs 27:17
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
If we who know the truth of it can help another see and help them have the oil now...all the better don’t ya think?
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For my Chinese friend: Confucius says, he who can keep the peace, has won the war... Or was it Confucius, now I'm confused... 
Christ Yeshua definitely said he brought the sword.
Matthew 10 (New King James Version)
34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
For now, before his second coming. At his second coming, after Armageddon, He brings us his 1000 years peace.
Christ Yeshua definitely said he brought the sword.
Matthew 10 (New King James Version)
34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
For now, before his second coming. At his second coming, after Armageddon, He brings us his 1000 years peace.
For now we have the sword, before His second coming. At His second coming, after Armageddon, we have His 1000 years peace (for the Christian survivors and also for the Christians who died for His name, during the great tribulation.)
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Will it be peaceful?
Revelation 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Revelation 2:26-27
He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS; AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father.
He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS; AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father.
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Yes it will be an orderly reigned Kingdom under Christ Yeshua, for a 1000 years, with full adherence to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's will/commandments/law universally throughout the whole world, before culminating at its end (before the final resurrection and judgement of all) in the last and final battle on this earth, the battle of Gog and Magog.
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
Isaiah 66 (New King James Version)
22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
24“And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
Isaiah 66 (New King James Version)
22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
24“And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
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For my Chinese friend: Confucius says, he who can keep the peace, has won the war... Or was it Confucius, now I'm confused...
Christ Yeshua definitely said he brought the sword.
Matthew 10 (New King James Version)
34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
For now, before his second coming. At his second coming, after Armageddon, He brings us his 1000 years peace.
Christ Yeshua definitely said he brought the sword.
Matthew 10 (New King James Version)
34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35For I have come to ‘set[j] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
For now, before his second coming. At his second coming, after Armageddon, He brings us his 1000 years peace.
he bring a sword to let us fight for The truth,not start a bloody war.just pick up the word of god as The bible tells us that The word of the Lord is my weapon which keeping me safety
So from this point of view, you misunderstood the words of Confucius and word of god
Micah 4
4 In the last days
the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
4 Everyone will sit under their own vine
and under their own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the Lord Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods,
but we will walk in the name of the Lord
our God for ever and ever.
4 In the last days
the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and peoples will stream to it.
2 Many nations will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 He will judge between many peoples
and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
4 Everyone will sit under their own vine
and under their own fig tree,
and no one will make them afraid,
for the Lord Almighty has spoken.
5 All the nations may walk
in the name of their gods,
but we will walk in the name of the Lord
our God for ever and ever.
^ Don't forget to add in the rest of the verses:
10 Therefore be wise, O kings;
be admonished, O judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry
and you perish in your rebellion,
when His wrath ignites in an instant.
Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.
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"and He shall rule [*G4165] them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]" Rev19:15b
G4165 is the same word we find in Rev7 (latter verses) where it's translated there as "FEED" (and that verse is parallel Isaiah 49:10 an earthly MK passage [their destination-location]):
[G4165] Definition: to act as a shepherd
Usage: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
10 Therefore be wise, O kings;
be admonished, O judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry
and you perish in your rebellion,
when His wrath ignites in an instant.
Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.
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"and He shall rule [*G4165] them [/the nations] with a rod [/sceptre] of iron [righteousness and strength]" Rev19:15b
G4165 is the same word we find in Rev7 (latter verses) where it's translated there as "FEED" (and that verse is parallel Isaiah 49:10 an earthly MK passage [their destination-location]):
[G4165] Definition: to act as a shepherd
Usage: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
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first,I really think those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture as" escapists," trying to avoid all trouble or persecution.
second,The truth is that we all fall asleep, and then the day of resurrection. Only very few people in the Bible skip this process,But this is not the universality of a theory,such as "You're in the office,when rapture happen and you hit on the roof"
I don't think pointing out the real problem is to sow dissension.But I think people are using all kinds of understanding of scriptures to sow dissension,Or take it out of context.
but I want to give up. If words really make people understand clearly,If the truth is also considered to sow discord,I give up.
Some things can only be understood by people's own experience,
No other way can make people admit that they are wrong. Because people are proud, so the Bible tells us be humble.
second,The truth is that we all fall asleep, and then the day of resurrection. Only very few people in the Bible skip this process,But this is not the universality of a theory,such as "You're in the office,when rapture happen and you hit on the roof
"I don't think pointing out the real problem is to sow dissension.But I think people are using all kinds of understanding of scriptures to sow dissension,Or take it out of context.
Proverbs 27:17
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
The scripture you remind me of is great.Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.
but I want to give up. If words really make people understand clearly,If the truth is also considered to sow discord,I give up.
Some things can only be understood by people's own experience,
No other way can make people admit that they are wrong. Because people are proud, so the Bible tells us be humble.
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Unfortunately not all the world's people call themselves children of God. I have the world's love and respect for Chinese Christians . Practicing Christianity in China, even in the face of persecution by Communists , is a test of true Christianity, as will be the case for the whole world's Christians during the great tribulation .
. Practicing Christianity in China, even in the face of persecution by Communists , is a test of true Christianity, as will be the case for the whole world's Christians during the great tribulation .-
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Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-5.htm
This [is] ( 3778 - αὕτη ) the ( 3588 - ἡ ) resurrection ( 386 - ἀνάστασις ) - ( 3588 - ἡ ) first ( 4413 - πρώτη )
5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-5.htm
This [is] ( 3778 - αὕτη ) the ( 3588 - ἡ ) resurrection ( 386 - ἀνάστασις ) - ( 3588 - ἡ ) first ( 4413 - πρώτη )
