Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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ewq1938

ewq1938

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GandalfTheWhite said:
No, your understanding of Paul does not agree with me :)
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Let's hear from Paul then:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18
 
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ewq1938 said:
The law is not a blessing to the unrighteous and not a blessing to the righteous. Let it rot and be replaced by the better promises of the new law.
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I was referring to the time it was given for, my tenses were a bit off. Should have been clearer. Sorry - my lengthy post just before that clarifies my understanding a lot better.
 
JaumeJ

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ewq1938 said:
Again: Yet the law worketh wrath and is a curse that entangles with the yoke of bondage according to Paul. Is he wrong?
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Gandolf did stipulate or stress, "if applied correctly," so there should be no further question.

However think in terms of what Jesus chided the hypocrites for when they applied dthe law.

He taught that if faith justice and mercy are not applied, it is not being understood properly nor applied so.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
David said the law is perfect and he oved the law. He also said to consider the law day and night (meditate on it). Don't you think it is our understanding that is flawed and not the law?
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The very sad truth is that those who argue point blank against the law have not learned of Jesus exactly how He is fulfilling it, first He personally and second we who remain in this age.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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ewq1938 said:
Let's hear from Paul then:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18
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I don't disagree with Paul, I am in disagreement with your understanding of Paul :)
 
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Blik said:
How can we bear fruit for the lord if we have no law to go by? That would be like trying to drive a car in a city with no stop lights.
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The law demands you stop at the lights... or you will be punished.

But you can remove the law and those who desire to be safe and sensible and who care about not hurting anyone and who aren’t only thinking of themselves, will still stop at red lights. Not because of the law, but because of love. That is unless stopping at those red lights would somehow cause harm, then they would do the most loving thing in that situation.

Those who have no love will take every opportunity to run the red lights once the law with its threats of punishment is taken away.

If you have Christ living in you you don’t need a law to drive safely, really you don’t even need a red light because you will always put others before yourself anyway. You would still study the safest way to drive but ultimately the law would not be needed.
 
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Blik said:
How can we bear fruit for the lord if we have no law to go by? That would be like trying to drive a car in a city with no stop lights.
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Further proof you do not understand

bearing fruit comes by following God, and thenlaw of love, not the law of Moses,
 
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Blik said:
If you think David is flawed and wrong, why do you think that Paul, then, could not be flawed and wrong? Both are scripture. If one is flawed, then there is a great possibility that the other is flawed and we cannot depend on scripture.
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David was not wrong,

he did not praise the law of Moses, he praised the writings of God, remember it was him who states sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire, he understood mosaic law and what it mean, that’s why he was saved by faith apart from works like his father Abraham was
 
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Dino246 said:
The Bible says that the Law is a "schoolmaster" to bring us to Christ.

Galatians 4:23-25 (But) before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We who have put our faith in Christ are no longer under a schoolmaster, which is the law. We are not under the law, because we have been justified (made right with God) by faith. Do you think this?
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Amen, it is not we who say it. it was Paul, and it was the HS who inspired nim to write it so in effect, it was God who told us this,
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
The law (if applied correctly) is a blessing.
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Yes it is

because the law if applied correctly leads to Christ, and leads to a person confessing repenting and recieving the gift of life (eternal)

but once the law has completed that task. It’s time to walk away,it can not help you anymore. You have a better far more applicable law. Called the law of Christ or the law of Love. Which can do something the law of Moses never could do. Lead us to bear the fruits of righteousness,
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
David was blessed, Solomon was blessed, Moses was blessed, Israel was blessed.
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Neither of them fulfilled the the,

they were blessed because they trusted God and looked to serve. not take.

thenlaw never told them that, they learned that the same way their fathers before the law was given, by faith
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law... maybe He was wrong :)
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He said he came to fulfill it

you left parts out,

you can not fulfill the law. They law however will cause You to be under a curse, because that is why it was given, to expose sin and lead to Christ
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
The law did not curse them. Disobedience did :)
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Without the law. They could not be cursed,

cursed is the one who does not obey EVERY WORD

christ is the Only one who fulfilled the law.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
The law is not a rod to hit each other with. The law is a revelation of God's character for us to worship Him.
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He law can not tell you how to worship. If anything the law should make yo Inquirer in your own body as you realise who utterly sinful you are
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
David said the law is perfect and he oved the law. He also said to consider the law day and night (meditate on it). Don't you think it is our understanding that is flawed and not the law?
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In context david spoke of the written word of the time from genesis up to whatever was written, as the whole.

again he was not talking about the law of Moses
 
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JaumeJ said:
The very sad truth is that those who argue point blank against the law have not learned of Jesus exactly how He is fulfilling it, first He personally and second we who remain in this age.
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He is fulfilling.it?

maybe this answers part of your problem,

he DID fulfill it

as he said, it is finished,

he did not do his part and now we have to do out, he finished it’s literally paid in full
 
oyster67

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Blik said:
Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?
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I do. The Law shows us that we need Jesus. It is what will condemn the sinner who rejects grace, but that is their fault, not God's.
 
oyster67

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Blik said:
They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?
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Yes, It shows/has shown us that we need Jesus. Some on here seem to not understand the purpose of the Law. We have a better way now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and brought us to Jesus. Jesus has given us only two things to focus on now. Jesus has brought liberty to the captives of the sin which the Law revealed and exposed.

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22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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