Is the law a blessing or a curse?

[Blik]

Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?

 

[Magenta]

Galatians 2:20-21

Where do you get the idea that there is no forgiveness for breaking secular law?

PS~ there is only one unforgivable sin.
Romans 10:17 + Galatians 3:5

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

1 Tim 1: knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for theungodly and for sinners, for theunholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

why you continue to miss the truth about the law just amazes me,

I believe this speaks of you

1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

 

[ewq1938]

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

 

[Guojing]

Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?

Law + our flesh inability to keep it = death and curses (Romans 7)

 

[Tararose]

We have no need to study the shadow, when we walk daily with the one who cast it.

John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Acts 15
5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: ...
10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
....

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Romans 7 v 4
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

 

[Blik]

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

If we are dead to the law, and if the law only produces wrath, how could David praise the law? Both are scripture, scripture is truth. Can these two opposing scriptures be explained as truth?

 

[ewq1938]

If we are dead to the law, and if the law only produces wrath, how could David praise the law? Both are scripture, scripture is truth. Can these two opposing scriptures be explained as truth?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

The new covenant is said to be "better" and the first one was faulty/had faults. Also, many things David wrote were his own flawed and wrong opinions. In Job we have many things said that are false but being in scripture doesn't make those bad things true. Paul isn't expressing his opinion on the old law but is telling us the plain truth of it with no sugar coating.

 

[Blik]

We have no need to study the shadow, when we walk daily with the one who cast it.

John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Acts 15
5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: ...
10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
....

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Romans 7 v 4
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

How can we bear fruit for the lord if we have no law to go by? That would be like trying to drive a car in a city with no stop lights.

 

[Blik]

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

The new covenant is said to be "better" and the first one was faulty/had faults. Also, many things David wrote were his own flawed and wrong opinions. In Job we have many things said that are false but being in scripture doesn't make those bad things true. Paul isn't expressing his opinion on the old law but is telling us the plain truth of it with no sugar coating.

If you think David is flawed and wrong, why do you think that Paul, then, could not be flawed and wrong? Both are scripture. If one is flawed, then there is a great possibility that the other is flawed and we cannot depend on scripture.

 

[Dino246]

They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?

The Bible says that the Law is a "schoolmaster" to bring us to Christ.

Galatians 4:23-25 (But) before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We who have put our faith in Christ are no longer under a schoolmaster, which is the law. We are not under the law, because we have been justified (made right with God) by faith. Do you think this?

 

[Dino246]

How can we bear fruit for the lord if we have no law to go by? That would be like trying to drive a car in a city with no stop lights.

Does a tree bear fruit because it is under law, or because its nature is to bear fruit?

 

[Dino246]

If we are dead to the law, and if the law only produces wrath, how could David praise the law? Both are scripture, scripture is truth. Can these two opposing scriptures be explained as truth?

They don't oppose each other. David was under the law, not dead to it.

 

[ewq1938]

If you think David is flawed and wrong, why do you think that Paul, then, could not be flawed and wrong? Both are scripture.

So is all of the book of Job but there's wrong things said in the book so calling something "scripture" doesn't prove anything.

Paul admitted when he was speaking his opinion rather than what he was given by God.

If one is flawed, then there is a great possibility that the other is flawed and we cannot depend on scripture.

It comes down to discernment to know what is valid and what is not plus Paul met and was taught by Christ and lived in the new covenant times, David had none of that. Most of his writings are inspired but some were of his own.

 

[Blik]

The Bible says that the Law is a "schoolmaster" to bring us to Christ.

Galatians 4:23-25 (But) before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We who have put our faith in Christ are no longer under a schoolmaster, which is the law. We are not under the law, because we have been justified (made right with God) by faith. Do you think this?

You are correct if you define schoolmaster as the entire law. I don't think the Lord means the entire law when the lord says it is a schoolmaster. If it did, it would include the laws of nature and that could not be. So what laws are schoolmasters?

In the Hebrew world, the schoolmaster taught the law, he was not the law. Moses gave many things the Israelites were to do that taught them the law. Circumcision was one. Diet control was another. They were not the law, but they were given to Moses as law. We are not obliged to keep these commands that are schoolmasters, but when we put on Christ, when we accept the spirit of Christ within us, through Christ we wish to keep the law. The laws of Moses are not for us to keep, but the law of the Lord is for us to want to keep through Christ.

 

[Blik]

So is all of the book of Job but there's wrong things said in the book so calling something "scripture" doesn't prove anything.

Paul admitted when he was speaking his opinion rather than what he was given by God.

It comes down to discernment to know what is valid and what is not plus Paul met and was taught by Christ and lived in the new covenant times, David had none of that. Most of his writings are inspired but some were of his own.

WoW! I have never heard any other Christian saying that scripture is not scripture, but it is up to us to determine what is to be believed and what is not to be believed, based on that Paul sometimes wrote something that wasn't given him by the lord.

That would knock the words of the lord right out of the water.

 

[echoChrist]

Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?

And my father says to me (Romans 7:12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [I could stop there that settles it for me but I'll keep going for those that just don't get it.] We continue in (Romans 7:25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Romans 8:7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Isaiah 42:21) The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honorable. (Proverbs 7:1-2) My son keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. (Proverbs 3:1) My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [ I think I will listen to my father and not people who received seed by the wayside.] (Psalms 119:137-144) TZADDI 137 Righteous art thou, O Lord, and upright are thy judgments. 138 Thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful. 139 My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words. 140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. 141 I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts. 142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. 143 Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights. 144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live. [ What is one of satan's greatest deceptions? Getting people to believe there is no law oh who is that wicked one he empowers in end times called oh I remember the lawless one.] I think I'll keep God's commandments.

 

[ewq1938]

WoW! I have never heard any other Christian saying that scripture is not scripture, but it is up to us to determine what is to be believed and what is not to be believed, based on that Paul sometimes wrote something that wasn't given him by the lord.

That would knock the words of the lord right out of the water.

You obviously aren't understanding me.
Here is an example:

Job 6:2 Oh that my grief were throughly weighed, and my calamity laid in the balances together!
Job 6:3 For now it would be heavier than the sand of the sea: therefore my words are swallowed up.
Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.


Job charges God with symbolically attacking him with poisoned arrows, and unnamed terrors that God has at his disposal.

This is scripture so are we supposed to agree with Job that God attacked him with poisoned arrows and the terrors of God were against him? According to your stated view, scripture is scripture and must be true.

Job 9:23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.
Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

I guess this is true also since it's scripture.

 

[Magenta]

You are correct if you define schoolmaster as the entire law. I don't think the Lord means the entire law when the lord says it is a schoolmaster. If it did, it would include the laws of nature and that could not be. So what laws are schoolmasters?

What a ridiculous argument. When discussing Biblical law, one is not referring to the physical laws of the cosmos

In the Hebrew world, the schoolmaster taught the law, he was not the law. Moses gave many things the Israelites were to do that taught them the law. Circumcision was one. Diet control was another. They were not the law, but they were given to Moses as law.

You are talking in nonsense circles.

 

[Dino246]

You are correct if you define schoolmaster as the entire law. I don't think the Lord means the entire law when the lord says it is a schoolmaster. If it did, it would include the laws of nature and that could not be. So what laws are schoolmasters?

Clearly the context is the law as given through Moses, not "laws of nature". Paul said the law (singular) is a schoolmaster (singular). You can think what you like, but the Scripture is plain.

In the Hebrew world, the schoolmaster taught the law, he was not the law.

Irrelevant.

Moses gave many things the Israelites were to do that taught them the law. Circumcision was one. Diet control was another. They were not the law, but they were given to Moses as law.

Those commands didn't "teach" the law; they were the law.

We are not obliged to keep these commands that are schoolmasters, but when we put on Christ, when we accept the spirit of Christ within us, through Christ we wish to keep the law. The laws of Moses are not for us to keep, but the law of the Lord is for us to want to keep through Christ.

Paul doesn't say that individual commands (plural) were schoolmasters (plural); he says the law (singular) was a schoolmaster (singular).