Some things about the law that need explaining.
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To be clear, I prefer to use the Body of Christ, as Paul did.
Different people might have different definitions of what the "Bride of Christ" refers to.
That makes absolutely no sense. The new covenant, according to how scripture writes it, was given to Israel and Judah and was made effective for all of mankind through Christ. I have given scripture that tells us this, read my post, and read and go by scripture. It makes sense, yours doesn't.
Another of your false accusations. Why should I listen to you? You are in error so often it is disturbing.
Circumcision was given to Abraham, and then hundreds of years later in the law to Israel.
Why does Paul warn against it in his letter to Galatia, telling the believers there that they are making Christ's sacrifice of no effect and fallen from grace if they become circumcised?
I think you really do believe in the Lord, and I have given my very life to the Lord, yet there are these posts you make. This current fuss is because I objected to your idea of what the schoolmaster is that the Lord speaks of, and you are throwing in that I am in complete error! I do often find you shallow in your responses, and that is not accepting you as we are told to do. I get caught up in listening to what the Lord tells us. I so wish you could discuss scripture. I will put you on ignore, if you will please do the same with me. Our relationship is not pleasing to the Lord.
You can ignore me all you like, while I shall continue to expose your errors.
I bolded another of your false accusations above. True: such false accusations are not pleasing to the Lord.
Paul took it up because of the new covenant. It was fleshly circumcision that Paul objected to because it was only given to lead Israelites to obey that God told them they belonged to Him, it was only a sign of that law. It is explained as being a schoolmaster, a training tool. We are to listen to Christ, and not need a fleshly sign, now. We label the circumcision we are to now have as a spiritual circumcision. We are to keep ourselves separate, and know we belong to Christ, we do that without a fleshly sign of it but through Christ.
Another of your false accusations. I can see why you think your relationship with others is not pleasing to Him.
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Should sabbath be the same way, not through fleshly observance but spiritual stillness, letting God sanctify our hearts as we cease from following our own desires in order to take up his?
I quoted Scripture, and you complain, criticize, and falsely accuse. My goodness, Blik. Get a grip.
I agree, except that the law simply outlines sin for us, and what it requires is the saving grace of the Lord. Christ brought the new covenant to all of us,. It was originally given to Israel, but through Christ every person is given grace of the new covenant.
The church has many purposes, including learning all about God. Learning God's law is a part of learning about God. I see no sense in your statement "the Church has no part of the Law". Being under the law is to have the false idea that you can use the law to be righteous. It is a false idea, false for all people at all times, the "Jews" and "gentile" doesn't apply. I agree with "through Christ every person is given grace".
This is the way it seems to me that Paul speaks of the Sabbath. I have a hard time with that idea because God gave a special blessing to Saturday, and no one can take away what the Lord puts together.
God is spirit, and now He speaks to us through the spirit. However, the Gnostics took this idea to such extremes they were in error. In Colossians they are labeled as false prophets. However, it is tradition and history that designates the false prophets spoken of there as Gnostics, not scripture.
I struggle with this. When I could get to church, I went on Sunday because that is when my church meets. Now I am housebound, I treat Saturday as the day the Lord blessed for me.
What scripture is clear about this is that either way is acceptable, for either way can be accepting Christ. We are not to judge others.
There is a reason why I quoted Exodus 24.
Show me where, in any of those passages that you have used from Hebrews, that the nation of Israel actually accepted the New covenant with Christ, who was offering it to them.
You can offer something to Israel but if they don't accept it, it will not be "given to Israel".
As an analogy, you offer someone a gift and he refuse to accept it and walk away, and even killed the gift giver.
Do you really think he is now enjoying the gift?
I believe that when Christ came He was the Savior for any person who believed in Him, and there were no more Israel only, Jews, gentiles, women, men, but children of God and those who were not His children.
I also believe that God will not desert the Jews, God promised them he wouldn't. I believe we are not to judge their relationship with the Lord, and that our fleshly minds are incapable of this understanding, and a careful study of Romans, I believe, backs these beliefs up.
Even if my understanding of this is all wrong, one thing is for sure. It is not up to us to judge the relationship of God and Jews, that is the business of the Lord.
The way I understand your post, you believe in either/or/and both points:
- Universalism: Even though Israel the nation rejected Christ and stoned Stephen in Acts 7, somehow the New Covenant is still "given" to them, without them giving their consent and receiving it.
- The Body of Christ has accepted the New Covenant on behalf of Israel. Hence your view of "no more Israel only, Jews, gentiles, women, men, but children of God and those who were not His children."