The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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Eph 2:1, During the process of quickening the natural man to a spiritual life, the natural man is spiritually dead, having no ability to believe in the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14, until he has been quickened with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22. The unregenerate natural man only has faith of man, and his accomplishments, 1 Cor 2:11
Repenting, accepting, confessing, believing in spiritual things, are all products of a person that has already been quickened to a spiritual life. The natural man, before he has been quickened to a spiritual life, does not possess these attributes.
Repenting, accepting, confessing, believing in spiritual things, are all products of a person that has already been quickened to a spiritual life. The natural man, before he has been quickened to a spiritual life, does not possess these attributes.
Calvinism is not true. God is love, and He wants all people to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9). He wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they will live (Eze 33:11).
"Natural man" is from the Greek "psuchikos" and it means of the soul, or soul oriented. People who live their lives in this way can choose to change, become humble, and decide to seek God.
"Natural man" is from the Greek "psuchikos" and it means of the soul, or soul oriented. People who live their lives in this way can choose to change, become humble, and decide to seek God.
God's elect are born again, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, in the old testament. as they are in the new testament.
Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he that put his Holy Spirit "within him".
The "Holy Ghost" which is a function of the Holy Spirit was not given until after Christ was glorified
The Holy Spirit has different functions, in the same manner that the three-in-one Godhead does.
The Holy Spirit is a quickening Spirit, and his function of the Holy Ghost is as a revelator.
Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he that put his Holy Spirit "within him".
The "Holy Ghost" which is a function of the Holy Spirit was not given until after Christ was glorified
The Holy Spirit has different functions, in the same manner that the three-in-one Godhead does.
The Holy Spirit is a quickening Spirit, and his function of the Holy Ghost is as a revelator.
Rightly dividing the word of truth for those who have not denied the ability of their own entelic, and are not trusting on the Holy Ghost to reveal, will not be able to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
Saved according to Greek translators means "delivered". We are delivered eternally, and we are delivered many times as we sojourn here in this world'
1 Tim 2:4, When a regenerated person grows to mature enough to have a knowledge of God's righteousness (the truth) they are delivered from their ignorance of that knowledge. Rom 10:1-3, indicates this by Paul's prayer for the new born babes in Christ that had a zeal of God, but not according to the knowledge of God's righteousness.
2 Pet 3:9, To keep this verse in context, we have to go back to 2 Pet 1, which tells us that Peter was giving this warning to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter even includes himself in his warning by using the word "us-ward". Peter is telling them that when they commit a sin, that God is longsuffering in bringing them to repentance, not willing that any should perish=death=separation from their fellowship with him. This is not directed to the unregenerate natural man that would never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. 1 Cor 2:14.
Ezek 33:11, The wicked referenced in this verse are regenerated children of God. "death = separation" in this verse God is telling them that he has no pleasure in his children being separated from his fellowship. God has promised us a good and abundant life here on earth if we will follow his commandments and stay in fellowship with him. The straight gate in Matt 7 harmonizes with this, saying those that enter that gate are few, that has found that good and abundant life that he has promised to the faithful that follow his commandments.
Saved according to Greek translators means "delivered". We are delivered eternally, and we are delivered many times as we sojourn here in this world'
1 Tim 2:4, When a regenerated person grows to mature enough to have a knowledge of God's righteousness (the truth) they are delivered from their ignorance of that knowledge. Rom 10:1-3, indicates this by Paul's prayer for the new born babes in Christ that had a zeal of God, but not according to the knowledge of God's righteousness.
2 Pet 3:9, To keep this verse in context, we have to go back to 2 Pet 1, which tells us that Peter was giving this warning to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter even includes himself in his warning by using the word "us-ward". Peter is telling them that when they commit a sin, that God is longsuffering in bringing them to repentance, not willing that any should perish=death=separation from their fellowship with him. This is not directed to the unregenerate natural man that would never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. 1 Cor 2:14.
Ezek 33:11, The wicked referenced in this verse are regenerated children of God. "death = separation" in this verse God is telling them that he has no pleasure in his children being separated from his fellowship. God has promised us a good and abundant life here on earth if we will follow his commandments and stay in fellowship with him. The straight gate in Matt 7 harmonizes with this, saying those that enter that gate are few, that has found that good and abundant life that he has promised to the faithful that follow his commandments.
I know I'm new here, but I have been reading here for a while and have seen your defense of your Calvinism before, and the way you explain away the scriptures.
Calvinism is not true. God made it available for every single person to be saved, He WANTS every person to be saved, and anyone can choose to believe the Gospel, to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and become saved.
Calvinism is not true. God made it available for every single person to be saved, He WANTS every person to be saved, and anyone can choose to believe the Gospel, to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and become saved.
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hi again -- you're gonna think i am because of the kinds of questions i ask, but i can assure you i'm not a Calvinist, much less an hyper-Calvinist.
i was wondering how Pelagian open theism explains something like Matthew 13:15 ((quoting Isaiah 6:10))?
i'd be interested to hear the opinion of someone who both doesn't believe God can know these things and that it'd be immoral of God to interfere in such a way with the opportunity for a person to exercise their sovereign will however they choose.
((and yeah i phrased it that way because while i do certainly believe we have free will, i think it's clearly not an unlimited kind of freedom in any sense of the word. people have inclinations, natures, and predisposition - moreover we have constraints due to our ignorance; we cannot choose things we have no awareness of))
i was wondering how Pelagian open theism explains something like Matthew 13:15 ((quoting Isaiah 6:10))?
Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
seems to me hard to dismiss this as anything other than God sovereignly 'shutting the door' on free will, even if it's a special case. you might say, well He let them harden themselves first and then.. but this is decreed some 7 or 800 years before Christ identifies it as being fulfilled in the day of His appearing, so we are definitely not talking about the people Isaiah spoke to. you may also argue, well this is a 'national' thing not a 'personal' thing, but i'd dismiss that immediately with the fact that no 'nation' is blinded unless the 'people' who comprise it are. i'd be interested to hear the opinion of someone who both doesn't believe God can know these things and that it'd be immoral of God to interfere in such a way with the opportunity for a person to exercise their sovereign will however they choose.
((and yeah i phrased it that way because while i do certainly believe we have free will, i think it's clearly not an unlimited kind of freedom in any sense of the word. people have inclinations, natures, and predisposition - moreover we have constraints due to our ignorance; we cannot choose things we have no awareness of))
That is fine, if you want to stick with what you have been taught, but all of the scriptures must harmonize, if you want to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught, I am a firm believer of the fact that no one can understand the gospel, unless the Holy Ghost within the person reveals the true understanding to them.
Exactly. Because all for whom Christ died, He did away with for them the penalty of sin, which is death. That being the case, everyone He did that for, will be given Spiritual life. That is a evidence that Christ for them has abolished death.2 Tim 1 10
10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Even the ability to come to Christ in faith is a gift based upon the cross of Calvary. At the cross, Christ purchased for His people the Grace to believe in His name Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake
Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.59
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake
Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.59
See, that's the thing. Everything people have are gifts from God and if church goers truly understood Pauls's teaching about the sufferings of Jesus, they would see that our dear Lord endured what sinners did to him,
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Lk.6:35
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Lk.6:35
God's children were enemies,
And you were at one time strangers and enemies in your minds as expressed through your evil deeds, Col.1:21
But because of Christ's sacrifice, we see the wrong done to God. We repent, receive his Spirit and grow in his image, leaving unthankful and evil ways behind.
And because we follow Jesus now, others may also (Mt.5:16) or they may not. They may abuse us, the same way they abused God himself in flesh, that is Jesus (Jn.15:20).
And you were at one time strangers and enemies in your minds as expressed through your evil deeds, Col.1:21
But because of Christ's sacrifice, we see the wrong done to God. We repent, receive his Spirit and grow in his image, leaving unthankful and evil ways behind.
And because we follow Jesus now, others may also (Mt.5:16) or they may not. They may abuse us, the same way they abused God himself in flesh, that is Jesus (Jn.15:20).
Once we have been born again, we do not lose the baggage of our fleshly nature, and do at times, yield our bodies to the temptations of the flesh. This does not, however, void our eternal security that Christ accomplished on the cross for those that his Father gave him, but it does, temporary, cause us to lose our fellowship with God until we repent.
What we do after our new birth is go to war against demonic forces which attack through the flesh nature and we are victorious being protected by the armor of Eph.6:13-18. We also have the knowledge of 1Cor.10:13.
There are many other words of encouragemen, so lets look to Jesus who strove against sin, even to shedding his blood and follow him.
There are many other words of encouragemen, so lets look to Jesus who strove against sin, even to shedding his blood and follow him.
What I am saying, although we are born again, we do, at times, fail to put that armor on when we step out into the world.
If you read the verses 1 through 12, they caushion us that although they were all baptised with Moses in the cloud and the sea, with many of them God was not pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness, saying these were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
When we have been born again, we still do carry the baggage of our fleshly nature as Paul explains in Rom 7:18-25.
If you read the verses 1 through 12, they caushion us that although they were all baptised with Moses in the cloud and the sea, with many of them God was not pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness, saying these were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
When we have been born again, we still do carry the baggage of our fleshly nature as Paul explains in Rom 7:18-25.
