TONGUES false teaching.

[Major]

When I say your imagination, I am referring to the fact you believe that tongues is false and no longer for today. That is not true and not what we find in scripture, hence, your imagination.

Do a search of the forums and you will find probably a few hundred videos of nonsense such as you posted. Do you think you are the first one to try and shock people with that type of thing?

You say you read the Bible. Well others do as well and in fact they study the Bible and do not reach the conclusions that you reach.

No one is upset. Stop with the ad hominem nonsense. It does not make you credible and in fact shows where the real problem lies

OOf course not!
Some people just can not accept what is read in the Word of God so real life videos seem to speak to them more.

A picture is worth a thousand words was once said.

Now.....it does not matter what I say. I am nobody. All the matters is what the Word of God says.

1 Corth. 13:8-9...........
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

 

[Dino246]

Exactly my point from the beginning!!!!!

Anyone who supports continuation of tongue talking is actually supporting that kind of activity because that is exactly what happens in churches today who encourage speaking in tongues.

By that "logic", anyone who owns and drives a car supports the idiots who drive recklessly and cause accidents, anyone who pays taxes supports the corrupt use of the social welfare system, and anyone who uses a Bible supports those who preach error.

 

[Major]

I'm not saying you are a scammer the people in the videos are the scammers. I believe that you have really been in some churches where faking is going on, but that does not mean this stuff is happening everywhere. And Maybe you should admit to the reality that you just may be wrong...just saying.

Now, lets do a philosophic approach.

How many worms in an apple in a barrel of apples make the whole barrel spoiled????

Now before you answer, consider the Word of God in Galatians 5:9......
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

IMPO then.......the whole barrel of apples is spoiled, if not NOW ......LATER!

Now take that to its logical conclusion , it is very aptly applied to those who receive the smallest tincture of false doctrine, relative to the things essential to salvation, which soon influences the whole conduct, so that the man becomes totally perverted.

 

[Major]

By that "logic", anyone who owns and drives a car supports the idiots who drive recklessly and cause accidents, anyone who pays taxes supports the corrupt use of the social welfare system, and anyone who uses a Bible supports those who preach error.

Your comment make no sense to anything I have said.

By the way.....I could have sworn that you said YOU WERE THROUGH WITH ME.

 

[1ofthem]

Now, lets do a philosophic approach.

How many worms in an apple in a barrel of apples make the whole barrel spoiled????

Now before you answer, consider the Word of God in Galatians 5:9......
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

IMPO then.......the whole barrel of apples is spoiled, if not NOW ......LATER!

Now take that to its logical conclusion , it is very aptly applied to those who receive the smallest tincture of false doctrine, relative to the things essential to salvation, which soon influences the whole conduct, so that the man becomes totally perverted.

Alright then let's use a little commonsense here too. People on the videos you are posting are in no way lumped in with everyone or every church that speaks in tongues.

That would be the same as saying the Westboro Baptist speak for all the Baptist people everywhere...

 

[VARob]

1 Corinthians 14 is a corrective chapter written by Paul to "Correct" the misuse of tongues in the church.

That's right. In that chapter he also has instruction for the proper usage of tongues in the church.

Now I notice that you did not post 1 Corinthians 14:34. The CONTEXT of chapter 14 is TONGUES and in verse 34 clearly says...........
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak,(IN TONGUES) but must be in submission, as the law says. "

Would you care to comment on that verse?

Why did you insert the words "in tongues" into the verse?

Have you looked into the authenticity of 1 Cor 14:34-35? It is contested by many. I'll let you look into it.. Here's a start:

http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/11Church/PublicExaminingAuthenticity1CorLowerCriticism.aspx

 

[VARob]

OOf course not!
Now.....it does not matter what I say. I am nobody. All the matters is what the Word of God says.

1 Corth. 13:8-9...........
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

The question is: When did, or when will, tongues cease?

 

[Scribe]

Now, lets do a philosophic approach.

How many worms in an apple in a barrel of apples make the whole barrel spoiled????

Now before you answer, consider the Word of God in Galatians 5:9......
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

IMPO then.......the whole barrel of apples is spoiled, if not NOW ......LATER!

Now take that to its logical conclusion , it is very aptly applied to those who receive the smallest tincture of false doctrine, relative to the things essential to salvation, which soon influences the whole conduct, so that the man becomes totally perverted.

You lost this debate a long time ago. Your just whimpering pathetically at this point. Go ahead and concede. Time for a new thread.

 

[CS1]

Those videos speak for themselves.

Let me be clear......Tongues we see today Is NOT BIBLICAL.

Yes.....what I have seen is faked and as a young man I was TAUGHT to speak in tounges and told.....WHO will know?

you are not clear the tongues used in the video was not Biblical. see the difference YOU judge the actions of the person(s) that are in error you do not claim all are in error. And if you are going to use TV Videos where the over whelming churches do not have tv programs and say all are like this, is wrong. That would not happen in the pentecostal church I attend that person would have been stopped. Our Pastor would have interrupted it and stopped it right then and there.

 

[CS1]

1 Corinthians 14:28-34 .....
"If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God. "

Is that what is seen in videos of people talking in church. Any interpretation????

no and this video doesn't change what the word of God says about the gifts of the Holy Sprit. This little girl is doing what she was taught to do, I hold the pastor and her elder and parents responsible. Clearly the little girl was ignorant to using the gifts correctly. Does that means the little is unsaved ? No. Does it mean she is not filled with the Holy Sprit? No. I can only judge was I see in context to this video. YET this video out how ever many you choose to post do not speak for all who believe the gifts are for today. Adress 1cor chapters 12 through 14 show me where the Gifts have stopped. You do that and I will amen you and preach the gifts are not for today. Until you do that The God I serve is the same yesterday today and forever.

 

[Scribe]

I have a strong feeling that the irritation and hatred I sense from those who are embarrassed and ashamed of the gift of tongues is due to the fact that the kingdom of darkness and the plans of the enemy are severely damaged when Holy Ghost filled believers intercede in tongues.
I interpret these willful intellectually dishonest twisting of scriptures to explain away the supernatural gift of tongues or to explain why we don't need it as a demonic attack.
I will therefore increase my praying in tongues as I am fully persuaded that great things are happening as a result and the devil is very upset about that.
So something very positive has come out of these threads and for that I am thankful.

 

[notuptome]

I have a strong feeling that the irritation and hatred I sense from those who are embarrassed and ashamed of the gift of tongues is due to the fact that the kingdom of darkness and the plans of the enemy are severely damaged when Holy Ghost filled believers intercede in tongues.
I interpret these willful intellectually dishonest twisting of scriptures to explain away the supernatural gift of tongues or to explain why we don't need it as a demonic attack.
I will therefore increase my praying in tongues as I am fully persuaded that great things are happening as a result and the devil is very upset about that.
So something very positive has come out of these threads and for that I am thankful.

One must wonder if you pray in tongues do you have knowledge of what you are praying? If you have knowledge are you really praying in tongues?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I have a strong feeling that the irritation and hatred I sense from those who are embarrassed and ashamed of the gift of tongues is due to the fact that the kingdom of darkness and the plans of the enemy are severely damaged when Holy Ghost filled believers intercede in tongues.
I interpret these willful intellectually dishonest twisting of scriptures to explain away the supernatural gift of tongues or to explain why we don't need it as a demonic attack.
I will therefore increase my praying in tongues as I am fully persuaded that great things are happening as a result and the devil is very upset about that.
So something very positive has come out of these threads and for that I am thankful.

That is an interesting position, not that I disagree but more I think it is the truth those who held a biblical understanding over many who were ignorant to the word of God, on those who were empowered by not enlighten by the word. Have now over the past 40 years studied, properly exegesis the word of God and the opponents are not able to sell the false narrative as they did. That gifts have ended using only 1cor 13:10 to explain how so. Many Pentecostals have rightly challenged this mind-set and have proven it error by the very word of God.

This angered the cessationist, and had to combat their error and they had to look outside the very word of God and interject false pagan practices and associate the gifts of the Holy Spirit ( tongues) as the devil or demon coming into a Christian and making them speak by the power of devil and garbage like that. Those Cessationist had to attack the gifts and use things that were not known outside the word of God and the church to stop the growth of the Pentecostal church. They failed miserably and tried everything but the word of God. fear, pulled out fake pain practices and tried to nail it at our feet. Yet the historical context did not support their false narrative.

Yet all Pentecostals who were and are properly instructed in the word of God and taught correctly what 1cor 14 says " let all things be done in order and discipline" I will agree many of the YOUTUBE and TV claims of the working of the Holy Spirit and use of tongues is for sensationalism and are in error. That being so, their error is no more removing the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today than Westbro Baptist is representative of all Baptist Believers.

 

[Scribe]

One must wonder if you pray in tongues do you have knowledge of what you are praying? If you have knowledge are you really praying in tongues?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Why would you be wondering? Did you not read the scriptures that have been posted about it these many, many times? Why do you pretend to not understand?

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

When I pray in tongues to myself and to God my understanding is unfruitful but my spirit prays and things get done and the devil is mad about it. Thus this incessant hatred for the Holy Spirit gift of tongues.

 

[SophieT]

Now WHY would you say that I "PORTRAYED" those videos. The word "PORTRAY" indicates a made up action.

I did not "PORTRAY" anyone my friend. That was a videos of real life people do exactly what they normally do in a church service.

As I said in my very 1st post...."IF you had been in as many Pentecostal church services as I have you would have seen this take place".

You seem to be lacking in basic vocabulary skills.

por·tray | \ pȯr-ˈtrā , pər- \
portrayed; portraying; portrays
Definition of portray

transitive verb
1: to make a picture of : DEPICT
2a: to describe in words
b: to play the role of : ENACT

YOU depicted something, does not mean you made it up. You are portraying all people who speak in tongues to the people in the video. Get a dictionary.

IF you had been in as many Pentecostal church services as I have

You really are having a difficult time here. You have no clue how many Pentecostal churches I have been in or if even one.

 

[SophieT]

OOf course not!
Some people just can not accept what is read in the Word of God so real life videos seem to speak to them more.

A picture is worth a thousand words was once said.

Now.....it does not matter what I say. I am nobody. All the matters is what the Word of God says.

1 Corth. 13:8-9...........
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

You are right in one thing here. Some people cannot accept what is in the Bible. The Bible itself is full of believers and those who mocked those believers. I doubt you actually think you are a nobody.

The Bible is not what is meant by 'Perfect'. There are errors in every single translation. Has knowledge passed away? That is a not a very knowledgeable thing to say. I don't think you understand what a prophecy is.

If a person chooses to portray scripture in such a way that they disguise the truth, they have made up their own Bible. What you are teaching is not the gospel. You like to quote Paul but you deny what he says about tongues.

smh

 

[CS1]

One must wonder if you pray in tongues do you have knowledge of what you are praying? If you have knowledge are you really praying in tongues?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

lol what an ill-logical comment. The Holy Spirit bring inspiration that leads to seeking from the word of God wisdom and knowledge which when the Spirit is speaking through one the Holy Spirit is using what they person as learned at that time. Just like preaching from the word. it is what has been said and interpreted that is to be judged by the word of God. Not from the human understanding.

 

[Blain]

However......funny does not make it Biblically acceptable.

It is sad to me that "Funny" is exactly what the world is led to think about the Christian faith.

it is beyond not biblically acceptable these people will reap what they sow but it is terrible how so many so called preachers leaders of the church and even believers within the church do this sort of thing with all the gifts of the spirit healing speaking in tongues prophesying all of them are blaspemers of the spirit.
If there is no power in the tongues spoken then it is not of the spirit words have power especially when it comes to the words from God himself. I am a very patient loving and forgiving person but I hqave no patience or mercy for these kind of people they can go fall into a hole for all I care

 

[notuptome]

Why would you be wondering? Did you not read the scriptures that have been posted about it these many, many times? Why do you pretend to not understand?

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

When I pray in tongues to myself and to God my understanding is unfruitful but my spirit prays and things get done and the devil is mad about it. Thus this incessant hatred for the Holy Spirit gift of tongues.

How you can come to that conclusion from reading that verse fills one with trepidation. Unfruitful understanding is not a good thing. Since it is your spirit that prays and not Gods Holy Spirit it seems reasonable to assume that your spirit produces nothing of eternal value. It cannot because it is flawed and not holy nor sanctified.

Again you conclude that things get done but that requires a great deal of speculation and makes assumptions without biblical merit. There remains no biblical foundation for the concept of praying in tongues as you want us to believe. Why would my heavenly Father Who loved me so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die on the cross to atone for my sins be pleased if I come before Him in prayer and do not speak to Him with understanding? We are to come boldly before the throne of grace not cloaked in superstition and fleshly fear.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ewq1938]

Those videos speak for themselves.

Let me be clear......Tongues we see today Is NOT BIBLICAL.

Yes.....what I have seen is faked and as a young man I was TAUGHT to speak in tounges and told.....WHO will know?

Luckily I wasn't in a Church that did this babbling but the first time I ever heard it, it was obvious that it was phoney.