The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess Noah didn't need to build that Ark ?

was noah demanded to earn his eternal life by building the ark?

I though you said you did not preach works?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

False, People Christ died for were reconciled to God while enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10

False

people who believe are not condemned

people who are unbelievers are still in a condemned state

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wrong based on Christs blood

His blood, his grace, and his mercy through our faith,

next

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone has always been saved by faith. In the OT, and in the book of Revelation, people were (and will be) required to demonstrate their faith. In the OT they were required to keep the law. In Revelation it explicitly states that they must "endure to the end". Saul lost the Holy Spirit, and did evil in the sight of the Lord. After David sinned, he prayed to God not to take the Holy Spirit from him.

Throughfaith is right. Christians are sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit. People in the OT, and people who will be going through the tribulation, were not sealed with the Holy Spirit.

First post, gotta jump in somewhere..

If works are required then we are saved by works are we not?

what did Paul say, did we receive the spirit by works of the law or by the hearing of faith?

Paul said we are saved by grace through faith for good works

imdo not believe we are required to do work, I believe Gods children will do work.

you do not have faith in someone, yet never do what they say or follow them in what they do. If you never did any of this, this would just prove your faith was dead and you never had faith to begin with

ps. Welcome

 

[eternally-gratefull]

False, some were reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10

Blah

your getting tiresome,

 

[throughfaith]

Dont make no difference, and i used a passage from the epistles, you dont pay attention

That verse is a ' reference ' to the lost who are described by those things .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you define "eternal security"?

Eternal life is the word Jesus used

it means once a person is made alive who was dead, their life is eternal. And since it is based on Gods work and his promise, and not based on our work, we can be secure in our destination for all eternity

 

[throughfaith]

Because no one was ever promised the HS in the OT, Saul had it yet rejected God, that should show you things were different

david never feared losing salvation, he feared losing the Hs to help him rule Israel,

We need not pray Davids prayer today. Why ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We need not pray Davids prayer today. Why ?

Because the Hs is given to everyone, unlike the OT when it was never promised

i know where you going, sorry, does not work

david never feared losing salvation. god called him a man after his own heart. god called him this knowing every sin he would commit. He could be secure in God. That’s why he trusted God

 

[throughfaith]

Those Christ died for were reconciled while enemies and unbelievers.

It doesn't say ' those '. The bible is clear that Jesus died for the whole world .
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

 

[throughfaith]

Because the Hs is given to everyone, unlike the OT when it was never promised

i know where you going, sorry, does not work

david never feared losing salvation. god called him a man after his own heart. god called him this knowing every sin he would commit. He could be secure in God. That’s why he trusted God

We have a verse today that says the Holy spirit was not given until Jesus was glorified. We have a verse that says we recieve the Holy Spirit unto to day of redemption.

 

[throughfaith]

Because the Hs is given to everyone, unlike the OT when it was never promised

i know where you going, sorry, does not work

david never feared losing salvation. god called him a man after his own heart. god called him this knowing every sin he would commit. He could be secure in God. That’s why he trusted God

Did he call Saul ?

 

[brightfame52]

False

people who believe are not condemned

people who are unbelievers are still in a condemned state

True, why deny scripture ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

 

[brightfame52]

It doesn't say ' those '. The bible is clear that Jesus died for the whole world .
1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

It means the same. We were reconciled to God while being enemies, y the Death of His Son !

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have a verse today that says the Holy spirit was not given until Jesus was glorified. We have a verse that says we recieve the Holy Spirit unto to day of redemption.

Yep, yet saul and david had the HS

so whats Your point

you going to continue insisting the Ot was saved by works?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did he call Saul ?

Was saul given the Hs?

 

[SoulWeaver]

Thats wrong information. Christ only died for His Sheep, the world of the elect from amongst all nations. And Salvation isnt offered to anyone, its freely bestowed up Gods elect.

There's no such thing as "the world of sheep" it's like saying "the plebs of kings"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True, why deny scripture ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

We were

when I had faith I was gods enemy

if you ever had faith, you were also gods enemy

you need to reconcile how a person condemned because of unbelief can be uncondemned while still in a state of unbelief

until then

you have nothing to offer me to come into your belief system

 

[Budman]

The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Just to be clear: Are you claiming God chooses people to send to hell without any chance for them to be saved? They could literally beg and plead for salvation and God will not hear them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just to be clear: Are you claiming God chooses people to send to hell without any chance for them to be saved? They could literally beg and plead for salvation and God will not hear them?

There you are brother. Welcome!